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  • How can you keep a MIDI track from sending volume (c.c.#7)?
2014/06/09 14:59:12
vintagevibe
I can't get the MFX MIDI Filter to work.
2014/06/09 17:04:09
bitflipper
Are there actually CC7's in the MIDI data, or is the volume just being set initially via the Volume slider?
 
If the former, you can either delete the CC7 events via the List View or remap them to some inert CC number.
 
If the latter, double-click on the Volume slider to reset it to its default, which shows (101) in parentheses to indicate that SONAR won't send any initial volume command on playback.
2014/06/09 18:01:11
vintagevibe
There are no MIDI CC events.  It just the channel fader. 
2014/06/09 18:05:11
John
Work to do what? 
2014/06/09 18:08:00
vintagevibe
I never knew that about the fader.  I'll have to wait until I get home to try it.  I'll post them.
2014/06/09 19:26:25
icontakt
Double-clicking the blue volume slider does reset the value to 101 but it doesn't have the parentheses appear so it will keep sending the midi message. All you need to do is right-click on the slider and select "Disable ... (I forgot what it was)."
2014/06/09 21:27:34
rbowser
Here's my take on this topic - And though people may work in various ways, I guarantee you this approach works:

That MIDI fader isn't sending out data that you'll find in your track.  It's setting a starting volume.  Just like the pan pot in that track header/inspector, it won't be adding data to your track unless you arm it for recording automation, and you move the fader or the pan pot.

In the MIDI spec, CC7 isn't meant to be a continuous controller for playing an instrument.  It's meant as a general and usually static volume setting - the potential volume of the instrument.  You can set up a general MIDI mix by having your instruments at various levels using those MIDI faders.  Then you record CC11 to dynamically control the volume of the instruments throughout the tracks.  Many synths/samplers change the timbre of an instrument as well as the volume when CC11 is used.  CC7 doesn't have that ability.

Some synths, like most freebies, Do have CC7 as the only available volume control, so you record CC7 continuously for volume control on those synths.

Those faders in the track headers control the faders in multi-timbral synths that have mixers, like the ARIA Player that all Garritan Libraries use.  The best approach when using ARIA, and other players like that, is to go ahead and let the faders in Sonar have control.  Set your potential volume with those faders, and you'll see the player's faders are moving with them.  You can turn the Sonar faders off, but why do that?  If you ever touch the fader again during your work, that reactivates their control anyway.

You need to have Some kind of starting volume set for your software instruments, and it's best if you have some headroom above that starting level, so Sonar's default of 101 (out of 127 possible levels) is an excellent starting point.  Often, you can just leave your faders at that default setting and then rely on your dynamic CC11 performance volume performance to do the rest of the balancing as well.

I generally leave my Sonar MIDI faders at 101, perform the tracks, and then worry about what the balance is between instruments when I move on to mixing the project which I always do with bounced audio tracks.  If I didn't bounce to audio, then I'd be more concerned with getting all those faders set at levels that make for a good mix of all the instruments I'm using.

So, the original question was a concern about how to "stop a MIDI track from sending CC7 volume" - and it actually isn't the right thing to be concerned about.  You have to have Some initial setting - do it with those Sonar faders, but don't worry about screwing up your tracks - those faders aren't sending out data that ends up in your tracks unless you automate them.

Randy B.
2014/06/10 02:06:41
vintagevibe
rbowser

So, the original question was a concern about how to "stop a MIDI track from sending CC7 volume" - and it actually isn't the right thing to be concerned about.  You have to have Some initial setting - do it with those Sonar faders, but don't worry about screwing up your tracks - those faders aren't sending out data that ends up in your tracks unless you automate them.

Randy B.




Al lot of assumption here.  Since I want to control a hardware synth from it's own mixerl without Sonar changing its settings this is precisely the question that needs to be asked.
2014/06/10 02:08:35
vintagevibe
Jlien X
Double-clicking the blue volume slider does reset the value to 101 but it doesn't have the parentheses appear so it will keep sending the midi message. All you need to do is right-click on the slider and select "Disable ... (I forgot what it was)."



 
This is precisely what worked and like charm.  It also works for the other parameters in the "show edible parameters" section of the Console.  Thanks much to you an bit!
2014/06/10 02:22:52
TomHelvey
Jlien X
Double-clicking the blue volume slider does reset the value to 101 but it doesn't have the parentheses appear so it will keep sending the midi message. All you need to do is right-click on the slider and select "Disable ... (I forgot what it was)."

Brilliant! I didn't know you could do that. Sylenth reads the setting for it's master volume so even if you adjust the volume in Sylenth, the master level always jumps when you restart playback. Disabling the volume control on the midi channel resolved a long standing issue for me. Thanks!
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