the VoiceMeeter....seems initially like a solution.  Will dig deeper.  Thx again ALL.
 

mixmkr

Jim Roseberry

mixmkr
  I've other computers available as well, if that's needed somehow.

You could route the total processed signal to the other computer... and monitor/record the end result from it.
Essentially, it would be the same as a dedicated hardware based recorder.

That seems like a solution initially, but I still can't do a screen capture and capture the audio WHILE playing live into Sonar and making adjustments, that you could hear.  Playback yes...playing live, no.
Thanks for your comments Jim.  We'll find a solution.
 
ShellstaX...I'll check those links.  THANKS MUCH.

Couldn't you "fly" the audio (captured from the second computer) back into the video capture in Post (using Vegas or similar)?

Jim Roseberry
 
Couldn't you "fly" the audio (captured from the second computer) back into the video capture in Post (using Vegas or similar)?

Let me think about this, as it actually is the computer with the video capture, who's audio I want as well.  I could split my signal, and not have the first computer be on "input echo"...but I would have to make identical changes at the same time to both computers, if I adjust settings...which I would hope to be able to do a lot.  If I had a control surface that made changes to both at the same, identical time, I suppose that would sync things up.
I'm going to search some videos on Youtube and see if I can find one that does it...and go from there.  The ones where I see people playing, they AREN'T showing their computer, unless it is in PLAYBACK mode.  They are showing hardware pieces or just themselves...NOT the computer screen.

Infact... maybe Cake even has some with their synths.. like some of the Z3ta synths.  Let me check those.  But they may just be in "standalone" too.  Seems I can do synths anyway, as for some reason, the input echo doesn't have to be engaged in X3, for me to hear a live sound.  ONLY for stuff in the FX bin or stuff that is being processed by Sonar, that you want to hear in realtime.


 

I tried the VoiceMeeter....and admittedly I wasn't 100% comfortable with the program...but the "virtual mixer" deleted all my Steinberg UR44 from being available.  Infact in Sonar preferences, they didn't show up.  I could route my Steinberg into one of the VoiceMeeter channels and the VoiceMeeter out to the Steinberg again...but having gain staging issues and still some feedback loop, but not nearly as bad.  I'll have to experiment more with that.  My problem is it would NOT let me select a hardware input into Sonar, while using VoiceMeeter. 
 
There's a decent chance on operator error, but we'll get there!!

That's a bit like where I got to.
 
But firstly, it didn't delete any of my drivers - sorry if it did for you. But it is a case of either/or.
 
I was able to live play/hear the FX transformed audio thru audio interface/asio drivers but the video capture couldn't get a grab on that audio input (in use). Routing it through the virtual driver resulted in the feedback loop (when input echo on to activate the FX). It can do MIDI/virtual instruments OK.
 
I also still think there is room for further experimentation.

ShellstaX and Jim...
I believe I found a solution.  I KNEW Sonar could do it... and also with the setup I got from Jim.
 
GOAL: Screen capture video AND capture audio that Sonar is processing in real time (input echo on)
 
Here's what I did. 
1. Plug into Channel 1 (analog input) on my UR44 with an analog source.
2. Come directly into Sonar's channel ONE WITH the input echo ON with the input coming from Channel 1 on the UR44.
3. IN SONAR, set the OUTPUT of Channel 1 to another mix OTHER than what the master buss goes to, (on my UR44, mix #2)
4. Hardwire the [analog] outputs of MIX 2 (on the UR44) and plug them into the UR44 Channel 3 & 4 (analog inputs)
5. Come back into SONAR channel TWO with the input from the UR44 analog 3&4 and RECORD THAT TRACK.
 
LEAVE THE LOOPBACK ON THE UR44 OFF  (that was causing feedback with the input echo also engaged)
 
6. Start the screen capture program and ALSO start recording in Sonar.
 
When finished recording...I have a DRY track recorded into my Screen Capture video and a WET (FX) track now recorded on track 2 in Sonar.
 
In my video editing program (Sony Vegas), I bring in a audio mix of SONAR's track two.
I also now bring in the screen capture video (that has the 'dry' track.  AFTER lining up the two audio tracks in Vegas, MUTE the video track's [dry] audio.
 
(BTW) I also don't monitor channel one in my UR44 software mixer.  I want to hear ONLY the Sonar processed audio, so I monitor inputs 3 & 4 only when recording.
 
lather, rinse, repeat...  THAT did the trick...  ON how to record (and screen capture) a track with the input echo ON and record the audio in real time.  That way I can fiddle away with the FX bin, etc... and just have Sonar recording in the background ...to later be sync'd to the screen capture video. 

That's awesome guys(Mix and Jim) ... great persistence ...one for the trick bag.

Glad you found a solution!