Hello,
I'm fairly certain This question must have come up a hundred times at least over the years, but Iv'e never found  the answer after my late stage cramming of just on 3 years of computers and SONAR.:(
 
So yes I can record my Drums,what I understand is the conventional way[usually the only soft synth I use 90% of the time]and it's been great,or at least it's worked out to a degree,plus I understand that Instrument tracks are a kind of combination of MIDI data and an Audio track,and Iv'e had no trouble recording Drums etc,BUT...
 
When I just want to record the AUDIO of a soft synth[that I CAN CLEARLY HEAR!],in this particular case Addictive drums,However I'm playing them JUST by MANUALLY changing presets/patterns "on the fly" from the A.D. GUI,I'm not writing a drum track in the PRV,or even seeing MIDI data[or want to!] on either the instrument track,OR the MIDI track[if split],and THAT IS FINE!,I just want to RECORD what I'M HEARING,by MANUALLY switching patterns on the addictive drums GUI,to get a fun sort of "improvised"track of randomly changing the STOCK patterns/fills on the fly.
 
So I instantiate a NEW Audio track, I route the output of AD Instrument track to the AUDIO track,but every time I route either the output of the instrument track OR the input of the Audio track to Record WHAT I'M HEARING,the RED record button dissapears! and it t turns into what I think is another instrument track or something[without a RECORD button!],so it just does not seem possible to record WHAT I'M HEARING in SONAR,which seems kind of crazy,as I don't always want to HAVE to use the PRV or god forbid my terrible attempts at playing drums with a keyboard,to get VISIBLE MIDI data,surely there is a routing option that allows, I guess this seemingly"unorthodox" method of recording the SOUND of a Soft Synth?
 
I apologize for all the CAPITALS but it's super late here,and this is something that has stumped me for 3 years now,and I eventually just write[often very tediously]my own drum patterns,linked them all up and just get on with it,but is THIS a SONAR "Thing?"like how one CANNOT record a track within the SAME project of the overall audio,the way I v'e read that IS possible in Pro Tools"?
 
As I said I'm sure this has been asked  HUNDRED'S of times,but Iv'e still been unable to find an answer[unless I use 2 computers?,recording the line out's,of one interface into another's line Inputs of another with another version of SONAR on a second computer recording it?] I'm sure there are a myriad of other even more tedious possibilities but,it would be nice to clear this one up simply,it's been a little maddening.
Sincerely
Bob

It is a similar situation to recording audio with plug-in effects applied in SONAR. There are a few ways to record the audio output of a plug-in (soft synths are plug-ins too), I posted several here  http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3000845
 
Just thought a fourth solution, use the synth standalone and a virtual audio cable like http://www.ddmf.eu/product.php?id=8 or the audio interface if it has the routing capabilities. If the synth does not have a stand alone version, use another VST host like http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm

WOW,So this IS a SONAR "Thing",thanks scook! Iv'e been nearly going out of my mind,but your solutions in the thread you pointed me to are at least more than one way to get around something that actually seems incredibly obvious to want to be able to do to me...what were they thinking?
 
Thanks again!
Bob

I tried using DDMF's "Virtual Audio Recorder"that records either .wav or MP3,but it was just no go,and yes I made a shortcut of the .exe so I could use AD as standalone...I really thought THAT one would work,but nada,I'll check out your other deal as soon as!
 

I just added a link to the DDMF product you need to connect the standalone AD to SONAR in the previous post. NOTE: I have not used this method, if I were to use a standalone synth, I would use my audio interface to route the synth output to a set of inputs connected to SONAR.

Ah,it looks like the "Virtual Stream" is an updated idea of the vitrual recorder[which was $15]I think my V-Studio is not allowing due to ASIO,so I'll try the "Recorder" with WDM MME?
 
See what happens?,I'm actually overjoyed I'm not quite the idiot I thought I must be...maybe?
 

scook
I just added a link to the DDMF product you need to connect the standalone AD to SONAR in the previous post. NOTE: I have not used this method, if I were to use a standalone synth, I would use my audio interface to route the synth output to a set of inputs connected to SONAR.

Hmm,just getting Addictive to be standalone was huge breakthrough,I'll have to think this through about using the interface like you said[utterly clueless right this minute-the suns coming up,no sleep!]
Thanks!!
 
UPDATE: scook you're a champ!!! Yes I got a Sonar Audio Trk to record Addictive Drums in Jury rigged standalone,the way I want,the only thing is,as Iv'e experienced before,ASIO is "one device ONLY at a time",but I can point Addictive to Sonar with the slightly[very?] low resolution MME 32bit,but thats at least a win,by being able to record at all[with no sleep till..]
 
Hopefully some more experimenting will reveal better methods[with far better quality],but finding out it's at least do-able has been a great thing[plus the fact it wasn't all user error previously!phew what a day/night/day:)
Cheers
Bob

I wouldn't use an instrument track for AD. It has multiple outs and you need to let each drum out to it own track.
 
The main reason Sonar doesn't allow recording audio directly to a track from a plugin synth is Sonar started out as a non-destructive DAW and that ability is counter to that philosophy. Also the developers were concerned about feedback loops.   

Hi John,
Fair enough,but Iv'e been trying to do this ever since I first ever got a computer and X1 at the ripe ole age of 46,and it's literally nearly driven me bonkers,and last night,after getting Addictive to work as standalone e.g. [find the .exe-OS(C;) + Program Files (x86) + XLN Audio + Addictive Drums -select & right click,"send to" Desktop (create shortcut) done!
I wanted to record how I was randomly selecting patterns/fills-which this particular drum soft synth does really well.
 
Anyway I found myself really really frustrated-much like I was in the entire year it took me to get the basics down,as I wasted so much time trying to do,what I NOW know wasn't the way the software worked-boy did I waste some time,couple that with...having NEVER used a computer before,and it may put in perspective how much"finding out at last" meant,though don't get me wrong,as far as a lot of what SONAR has to offer- I really love.
 
this one always really stumped me,as this technique -f I can call it that,has a certain spontaneity that I absolutely need with music,or creating music,so on one hand I'm super relieved it wasn't just my ineptitude,but actually IMO a limitation,and of course I'm sure coming from yourself John there are good reasons for it.
Bob
EDIT: It's kind of odd with me,whenever I spread the drums to lot's of tracks I kind of lose the sound that attracted me to that kit or setting in the first place,of course I work mostly till now with SSD4,and Platinum has a huge range of kit pieces[not so much cymbals]and they usually sound,or fit into a mix well,when they're NOT processed any further,though I'm one of the few that thinks they're drier than many do,it's just "the room"is often turned up too high on some default loadings,on the SSD mixer,so yeah,I can get away with an instrument track,but I often augment it with just a separate "kick" or a snare track,leaving the "simple instrument track"for the hats/rides/crashes/room and overheads,I don't like lots of tracks at this stage of the game-busses are another story!

I don't know if it will catch all your mouse clicks, but it seems to me if you use automation recording you should be able to capture your "performance" as automation. Then freeze the synth if you really need the audio.