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2014/05/28 21:05:34
gbowling
I have a live recording that is over 2 hours long in sonar x3, I have one 3+min song that I want to cut out and save as a bun file and I want the file to be as small as possible so I can send it over the internet.
 
I've tried a couple of things.
1. Open the file, cut out everything except the 3 min part I want, save as to a new bun file. However the new bun file is the same size as the original file. 
 
2. Open the file, copy only the 3 min part I want to keep, start a new project and paste that into the new project, save as to a new bun file. Again the new bun file is as large as the original file. 
 
Is there any way to compact the file to just contain the 3 min section of audio I want? I know I can export the audio but not to a bun file, it's a 28 track recording and I want to keep it in the multitrack format for the recipient to be able to open in x3 to produce/work with it. 
 
Thanks
2014/05/28 23:29:58
Grem
We just had a discussion about these bun files the other day!!
 
It seems that bun files don't compact the fikes in the way a zip file does. It may appear that way if you take a song that had many many edits/deletes and such, save it as a bun file, and the new bun file is much smaller than the project/audio folder. All the bun file save did was keep all relevant audio files and didn't save the old unused/deleted audio, therefore making it appear that it shrunk the files sizes. When all it really did was toss a bunch of unused files and kept the good stuff.
 
 
So if you just started a project that is 2hrs long, then delete all but three minutes of it, I think the bun file will be just the same size as all 28tks three minutes long.
 
Am I understanding you right?
 
Or is the bun file keeping all 2hrs of the file?
2014/05/28 23:46:01
noynekker
Sounds like your need to collaborate over the internet is a good fit for the new Gobbler (cloud saving & sharing) feature in Sonar X3. I think you can demo it for a bit, then if you like it . . . sorry I don't know the cost to use it ongoing.
2014/05/29 00:33:02
Lynn
You might try running the utility "clean audio file" before you save as a bundle file.  You may have a lot of orphaned files associated with that song.  Just a thought.
2014/05/29 06:33:27
Kalle Rantaaho
Lynn
You might try running the utility "clean audio file" before you save as a bundle file.  You may have a lot of orphaned files associated with that song.  Just a thought.




No, that doesn't work. The OP does not want to delete all the two hours of material, but to send only the three minutes of it to a colleague. This said assuming the X-versions have the same Clean Audio Folder-process as 8.5 and older.
 
To the OP:
Try this: Delete all the unnecessary from the 2 hr project, leaving the one song, and then Save As  .cwp (not bundle) under a new name with Per Project Audio enabled (use always Per Project Audio Folders) with "Copy audio with project" option selected . Then do another Save As, now as a bundle. That should leave the extra load on the other side of the hill.
 
2014/05/29 07:27:32
gbowling
Thanks for the replys. 
 
I've tried the "clean audio" but that doesn't seem to help. Possibly because the original audio is in large "files per track" that are the complete length of the 2 hr recording.
 
Grem - It seems to be keeping the entire 2 hrs of audio, not just the 3 min I want it to keep. 
 
Kalle - This is a good idea, I haven't tried that yet but will give it a go and report back. 
 
 
2014/05/29 08:45:03
gbowling
I tried a test per Kalle's suggestion, but it still seems to keep all the audio. No matter what I do it copies the entire 2 hr audio files into the folder. 
 
I understand they are trying to preserve the deletion of something you may later regret, but it seems there should be a way to do it. 
 
Maybe Cake needs to add a "compact" button with multiple "do you really want to do that" notices before removing information.
 
I guess I can export audio as wav files, it creates one file per track, then import those tracks into a new cakewalk project and it will do it. But that's a lot of work with 28 tracks. Would be nice if they would export a multi-channel wav file. 
 
I use a fireface ufx and if you record directly to usb, they record a multi-channel wav that imports right into sonar as multiple sync'd tracks with no problems.
2014/05/29 11:02:55
dlion16
how about bounce to tracks with just the 3 min selected? that would give you new tracks of just that material as new files. then copy those to a new blank project...
2014/05/29 11:33:34
CJaysMusic
Just do a 'Save as' for the 3 minute section. This is how you do it:
Delete everything except what you want to save. Then do a 'Save As' and name it. Then export is as a CWB file..Tah DAH!!!
 
Now you will have 2 different CWP versions, one with everything and one with just the 3 minute section.
 
Cj
2014/05/29 11:34:18
scook
gbowling

 
I guess I can export audio as wav files, it creates one file per track, then import those tracks into a new cakewalk project and it will do it. But that's a lot of work with 28 tracks. Would be nice if they would export a multi-channel wav file. 
 

It should not be too hard to:
select the the tracks,
set the time range,
export all tracks at once by setting source category as tracks,
create new project,
import all tracks at once
 
Not much different then a multi-channel wav, just have to hold the shift key while selecting tracks in import dialog or lasso them in windows explorer and drag into the new project.
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