Hi,
 
Strange problem here. I recently re-installed Sonar 8.5 Producer onto a new hard drive, new OS Win7, (used to have XP).  Sonar working fine for the most part. However, my fade envelope(s) working backwards. To fade the end of a track/song, I used to just highlight the last measure or two of a clip/track by dragging in the timeline to highlight it, then I'd go to Process/Audio/Fade-Envelopes, and then select one..ie..Exponential Fade Out ...or Linear Fade Out...
 
Now since installing Sonar onto Win7, when I follow the same procedure as described above, it fades backwards. Hard to explain, but for example, recently I had a drum track consisting of several clips, the last clip being about 4 measures. I dragged in the timeline to highlite the last two measures of that clip (which was the last two measures of the track), then went to Process/Audio/Fade-Envelope and selected Exponential Fade Out. When I processed it, the FIRST two measures of that clip got the fade, even though I had highlited the last two measures. The last two measures remained at full volume, unaffected by the process. Why is this happening? Anyone have any ideas?? Same with any Fade Out I use, Linear did the same thing.
 
(For now I am able to right click the clip and use a gain envelope, that is working, however if I have a full song all as one big clip that I want to fade out, I don't want to use a clip or track gain envelope, which will run across the whole song/track)
 
Any help appreciated!
 
Thanks
 
MM

I always fade the Master bus at end of song, but not ever using that feature your describing not sure, there should be absolutly no differance from the old system. Unless a Keyboard short cut is toggled .  Are you saying it is fading in or just fading out at the begining.

 
Did you know that you can create a fade by hovering the cursor over the end of a clip until a triangle appears, then grabbing and dragging the triangle? That would be easier than your procedure, I think.
 
 
 

Greg's got it right - except I'd recommend the reverse exponential slope ("fast") for fades. The advantage of fading with a volume envelope is you can tweak it later if you want to.

Hi guys, sorry for the late reply. For some reason the HTML was messed up on the forum the other day, so I couldn't get in to post a reply.
 
Cactus! Long time, how you been? The only way I can describe what's happening is to take Greg's jpeg and just reverse it. So the music playing in the previous clip (the one just before the clip with the applied fade) is at normal volume, then when playback reaches the beginning of the faded clip, the volume drops to zero and gradually fades up to normal by the end of the clip. Strange, never saw that happen in 20 years using CW.
 
Greg I didn't know I could do that! Thanks for the tip, I'll try that. That would also save me from having to split the track at the end of a song, something I especially don't want to do if it's a final mix.
 
Bitflipper, I haven't tried Greg's suggestion yet, but what you said brings a question...am I able to choose what kind of fade to use with Greg's method, and is it a pop up box, or a project/global setting?
 
Thanks, much appreciate the help.
 
MM

The slope of the fade is set similar to automation. Right-click on the hot-spot that creates the fade to select the slope. It is adjusted per-clip. I can't recall of 8.5 allows quick groups like the current version does. With quick groups, you can select all the clips and affect them at once by holding the CTRL key.

8.5 does quick groups

If what you mean by quick groups is dragging the mouse to "lasso" around several clips, then yes it is available in 8.5. It is only one track that I am working with here though, so I'm wondering if my highliting the end of the track/clip by first making sure the track I want is selected, then dragging the mouse over the timeline is maybe causing some issue. Never did before, but I'll try it both ways and see what happens.

If it is just one clip there is no need to select or highlight anything. There is a hot spot at the end of the clip to create the fade. Refer to page 350 in the user guide pdf for instructions with illustrations.

This may help, screengrabs of when I did it the way I've been used to, by using the process menu/audio/fade. You see the original clip (left) full volume all the way across. Then dragged in the timeline to highlight the end of the clip, but when I applied an exponential fade out, the beginning of the clip got it instead of the end that I highlighted. (Btw, I did try applying the fade the way Greg suggested and it works fine.) Just curious why this method (shown in the pics) is applying the fade to the opposite piece of the clip instead of the piece I highlighted.
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Scook, I don't have that pdf user manual, and I don't think I can get it on the support site. All the links that I saw in old threads about the 8.5 pdf manual and reference guides just take me to the support home page. Search turns up nothing. I have the hard copy books that came with the discs, but only 195pgs for the user guide. Checked the Sonar 8 "Add'l content" dvd, (I assumed it's on that dvd from reading the old threads) not on there, haven't checked the 8.5 dvd yet.