• SONAR
  • The "new" Sonar X4 Advantage
2014/05/17 09:49:35
Soundblend
As we know sonar comes in 3 version:
X3, X3 Studio and X3 Producer

Now why do we need 3 versions, we don't need that.

We need a Customizable version, a basic Producer version if you may say that.

By that i mean a Sonar "Producer" with:

Instruments :
* TTS
* Bitbridge
* Z3TA
* XLN Audio Addictive Drums
* TruePianos
* Studio Instruments

Skip the rest..., unless there is some i have forgot to add here as important

FX's : All basic Producer Pro Channel plugins, and :

* Boost 11
* LP-64 Multiband Compressor
* LP-64 EQ
* TS-64 Transient Shaper
* BREVERB SONAR
* Channel Tools
* Melodyne

Skip the rest..., unless there is some i have forgot to add here as important

I hardly use anything else, to me its just taking up space and will mostly not be used
like the loops ( media ), all those synth's i never use, all the Fx' and demo content
just to name a few things.

Why i want a Customizable Sonar version, because then i can choose what i want
or not want, they can have it as optional in the shop, if there's anything i would need

then you also don't need to download 8 Gigs of "junk" that u almost never or never use
Imagine sonar at max 600 to max 1Gb, maybe way less size too with just the basic stuff mentioned above.
that would make sense to me.

New buyers ( and old owners ), need to have a stable, small, Reliable product with all basic pro functions
all in a small and affordable package, with the option to choose what they need, and you want some more
then buy that of the Cakewalk Store.

More plugins in shop will also give more income to CW, by selling Instruments and FX's.
Not only make more Prochannel plugins, but also new separate plugins to sell
so ppl with other daw Software can buy it too.

This is just my wish for a new version, some other may have another opinion on this.
2014/05/17 09:57:17
scook
Not sure who "We" are but the cafeteria plan has been suggested before. Probably not going to happen as Cakewalk has already answered, it is too hard to price and support. You are not forced to install anything you don't want. The upgrades are relatively inexpensive as it is. So it all comes down to bandwidth. For those upgrading from Producer X1 or X2 the download is less than 6GB.
2014/05/17 10:08:08
djwayne
I'm happy with the Full Course option. I've got a 1000 gig hard drive, plenty of room for goodies.
2014/05/17 10:19:39
Soundblend
I guess they " Cakewalk " go with what they have planned ofc
But is it not, important ? to listen to the customers and they'r wishes.
(and they have with a survey, before they released, was it X1, i cant remember ? )

Remember when Cakewalk " Twelv Tone System "came on Floppy disk's !

This just does not certainly only apply to Cakewalk

Look at windows, how the size has increased the past years 
of course you need more drivers and so forth, so it is understandable
that in some cases "Size do matters" , but they don't need to overdo it.

Look at virus scanners or Cd burning software, all kinds of software really
they had mutch smaller programs before, and it did work that time too.

It is possible to make software at less size.
Why should the buyer be forced to have a lot of junk he / she dont need
along with whatever they buy, now i am speaking in general ...

I know Harddrive space /ram etc is no problem, but that is not quite the issue or question here
rather than what u want, and leave the other out and let the customer choose what they want
and not the company that sell it.

I know this question / wish has been talked about before, but you don't always get
the cookie in the first attempt, do you ;-)

I love Sonar, and i am no hater, but some opinions and questions must be allowed.

Well anyway that is my wish, some may agree, many probably not.


2014/05/17 10:38:13
g_randybrown
Why should the buyer be forced to have a lot of junk he / she dont need
along with whatever they buy, now i am speaking in general ...
 
Did you understand what scook meant?
If you select "custom installation" you have the option to not install certain items.
2014/05/17 10:47:28
Soundblend
I know that... i completely understand it, still if you choose custom install
it will still be above 3GB, or not to far from that, but it is not what i am talking about.

Issue is all the stuff u don't ever use, that is within the software when you download it
when you buy Sonar, making it 8Gb, when it could be 1GB ( Daw itself with plugins )

Are sure, you understand me !

I am not here to argue about this or get personal, just to tell what my wish is
and that it is fully possible to do so, but if they will do it, is another question.

Who uses everything that is shipped with sonar only ? And what don't you not use.. prob several things i guess
many want 3rd party plugins and FX's, and also uses that.
2014/05/17 10:52:46
scook
I don't understand the issue. Is this a bandwith issue? Other than Addictive Drums and updates there is no download requirement at all.
2014/05/17 10:53:04
Anderton
The pricing would make Sonar non-competitive for people who use more plug-ins than you. There are so many Sonar elements I use that aren't on your list - Dimension Pro and Rapture, all the Sonitus plug-ins, VX64 and PX64, TH2, Perfect Space for convolution, the Tempo Delay for dance mixes, Classic Phaser, a lot of the Blue Tube effects, Session Drummer because it's so easy to make my own kits, etc. If I had to buy each one of those separately on top of the version you foresee, the price would be way more than Sonar Producer. And I don't use True Pianos or Studio Instruments, so your version would still make me pay for things I don't use.
 
There are economies of scale from quantity pricing. My gut feeling is that the Sonar version you want is missing lots of elements that other people use all the time, and that its price wouldn't be much less than, say, Studio Edition which is expandable in many ways. Forcing people to buy what they use at "one-off" pricing would make Cakewalk very unpopular with its customers.
 
The only reason we're able to have tools like XLN and Melodyne in a $150 upgrade is because Cakewalk can go to companies and negotiate a low price based on quantity. Smaller quantities = higher prices. Since you wouldn't save much money, if any, then you can get the version you want simply by not installing what you don't want to use.
2014/05/17 11:06:02
Soundblend
scook
I don't understand the issue. Is this a bandwith issue? Other than Addictive Drums and updates there is no download requirement at all.



I don't have the best internet line, but it works, it is just to use a DL manager for it, if so.
but there's no issue to download 100Tb or whatever it need to be.

But i don't need the Gigs of loop library, the "10 synth's" i never use
there should be an option to purchase that later on if a buyer want that.

It is that i am talking about, all the stuff that ships within Sonar, that i never use
making it 8Gb , instead of just the software and plugins itself.

I want a Pro DAW in a tiny version with pro plugins ( Fx's ), without all the huge librarys, demos etc
is that clear now then ;-)

Junkfood is good sometime, but i prefer a real dinner everyday, solid and stable 
2014/05/17 11:15:40
dubdisciple
Let me make sure I understand you. You would rather pay more just so that you save a little time downloading stuff you don't have to install? A la carte is always costlier. The value aspect of Sonar totally goes out the window and you basically have people buying basic version and lots I of third party plugins.
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