Kev999

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rbowser my question is to the general question of why soft synths aren't recorded in real time.

in the ongoing quest to model analog kit, some synths & fx plugins introduce subtle randomness (or "humanisation") so you never get quite the same playback each time - how's that?

In that case, there would be no advantage to recording rather than bouncing.  Either way, the randomness will be equally unpredictable.

My exact thought when I hear that argument. Maybe I am missing something but if I was woried about it I would bounce several times and pick the best result or even comp the results to get the best bits of each "take".

Glyn Barnes...Maybe I am missing something but if I was woried about it I would bounce several times and pick the best result or even comp the results to get the best bits of each "take".

IMHO, the worry over synths having slightly varied playback each time is a waste of time.  The differences are so subtle that you would need to spend a good deal of time listening over and over to different bounces trying to detect randomness, and it would be rare to detect anything that has any significance.  "oh!  That note seems .5 DBs louder this time"--It just doesn't matter.

To the original question - There's just no need to freak out that soft synths aren't recorded in real time like hardware synths.  Bounce takes seconds, you do it, and get on with your mix.  

But the opening part of Konrad's original post reported the bummer of EZ Drummer 2 somehow preventing him from freezing tracks - not sure if bounce isn't working either, Konrad?

You get it by now though, right? - that you don't export when bouncing, and you don't have to do tracks individually, you do them all at once - And latency has no effect on where the tracks will be placed on the timeline.  They aren't late.

Grab all your MIDI and associated tracks, choose the bounce Tracks option, and off you go, you'll have solid audio tracks to mix with in a very short time.

Randy
 
 

yeah, sorry for confusing the question, my bad, i blame mr. heineken

AFAIK, the main reason users site for needing the ability to record soft synth output is so they can record the effect of twiddling knobs on the synth GUI that aren't automatable or that have to be coordinated in real-time with unsynced modulation of some other patch parameter that is different every time.
 

Guys, I cannot get this to work.
 
1-Play just the drums track and hear them
2-Select only the 5 audio drum tracks and the MIDI track, do Bounce to Tracks, and I get five new tracks (which I should for kick, snare, hat, toms, and cymbals).
3-The new tracks show straight lines instead of audio wavs, and they make no sound.
 
I tried "audible bounce" and "live input" as options.

Something soloed somewhere?
 
Are they in a track folder?

Hey, Craig.  I am starting to think this is more fall-out from the EZ Drummer 2 fiasco.  Today, I uninstalled all the EZ Drummer components (but not the add-on kits I bought), then reinstalled EZ Drummer 1 and the current update. 
 
Then I had to go back to an older version of a project that had not been corrupted and start over on my edits.  (This kind of stuff is what is delaying the project you and I discussed.  I hope to finish soon.)
 
The current status is that I paid for EZ Drummer 2 and would really like to have the new drum sounds—but not until they figure out why it won't play nice with Sonar.  I am shocked that Toontrack is stonewalling us on this.
 
I will retry the bouncing now that I am back to somewhat normal.

another thing you may want to record vsti for is to get that patch change weirdness when you are switching sounds and it morphs making this really strange sound like in synth 1.
 
What about if we could rewire each track to another daw would that work?

konradh...I will retry the bouncing now that I am back to somewhat normal...

I'm curious to see if you get things going on this, Konradh.  I think Craig probably hit on what your bouncing problem was earlier when he asked if something was soloed - You may have had the drums MIDI track soloed, but somehow didn't have the audio tracks also soloed.  The easiest thing to do is to not have anything soloed - you just bounce whatever's selected/highlighted.
 
Randy B.

To answer, yes the drum tracks in question are in a folder. It is not a solo or mute problem. I have tried soloing audio and MIDI tracks and also tried soloing nothing but just selecting the appropriate tracks, ensuring I selected from start to end. I do not get the "no audio in region" error that I would if there were nothing to bounce. I am about to be in the air but will report back tomorrow if the deletion of EZ Drummer 2 resolves this. Thanks.

Ain't nobody got time for this.