Beepster
 
 
So the option you used in the X1 Advanced vids to turn your hex pickup guitar tracks into a virtual 12 string? And it no longer works?
 
 

IIRC the Formant option for transpose didn't work in X1 either. In any event I've been continuing to use the technique described in the video in X3, and you'll be happy to know the virtual 12-string, Nashville tuning, and 18-string guitar sounds remain as wonderful as ever .
 

 
That is a little... uh, hate to say it... crummy. Even if it's based on 32bit they could have left it in and instead maybe put a popup warning saying it might cause problems. I know Cake is trying to avoid people having glitches/crashes by stripping out 32bit stuff but some of those things are really useful and did work more often than not. Like VC-64 thingie.
 

 
The Prosoniq pitch transposition algorithm wasn't a plug-in, it depended on a library so there's no way it can work in a 64-bit OS. It's conceptually similar to why 32-bit ReWire wouldn't work under a 64-bit OS...it's not something you can bridge.
 
To further complicate matters, Prosoniq went dark. Zynaptiq acquired their intellectual property a few months ago, but I have no idea whether they plan to update the pitch shifting algorithms. iZotope and zplane have pretty much locked up that market in Prosoniq's absence. I did talk to Denis from Zynaptiq at Frankfurt and asked them to at least consider updating the Orange Vocoder... 
 
As to the VC-64, I'm a huge fan of that plug-in and asked CW why it had not been updated. Sadly, it seems the developer (it wasn't coded by CW) has disappeared. CW has tried repeatedly to contact him about updates or obtaining the rights, to no avail. They would love to bring it up to date but they can't do anything without the rights to reverse-engineer or re-engineer it. Meanwhile I'll keep using it as long as its functions, with the understanding that's it's getting pretty shaky under the hood...
 
 

If something cannot be worked out for the OP, I would think that a PM to one of the Cakealk folks (Ryan, Noel), would result in some sort of satisfactory outcome.
 
They have a great track record for dealing with oddities, such as with this situation.  :)
 
Bob Bone
 

Ah... so it's a different feature being discussed. I'm still a little foggy as to what exactly formant scaling is. I'm familiar with the words and I know I've crossed this term before but I am totally drawing a blank as to what exactly it is. Something to do with manipulating the pitch/quality of chords? :-/
 
I'll have to rewatch the vid to see which function you actually used but I think it was just "Transpose" which apparently is something different. I'm sure Melodyne or VV could easily do those as well (on monophonic material).
 
I remember you posting about the disappearance of the VC-64 author. Makes you wonder what happens to people and realize there are flesh and blood humans behind a lot of this stuff and not necessarily some faceless company.
 
Maybe if the Baker's have time they could build a type of "sandbox" type area for 32 bit stuff where you could use all the old plugins, render them and then return to 64bit mode. I really have no idea if such a thing is possible but if it is I'd bet if Sonar had that option it would draw a lot of customers with ancient VST catalogs over to our side.
 
Cheers.

Someone, I think it was Craig, suggested that it would be handy having the Formant Scaling work with Transpose. Using Melodyne  might be a work around but it is time consuming to render the audio in Melodyne, then select, using trial and error methodology, the instruments or vocal in the track that needs to be up'd or down'd in the Formant space.   Has anyone out there has seen the Transpose/Formant Scaling feature ever work as implied in the Cakewalk literature?  

I believe Craig's initial reply covers it. This function uses the MPEX library which is still part of the 32bit SONAR Producer. The documentation needs to be updated to make it clear the function is not available in 64bit SONAR. If this is an important feature install the 32bit version of X3 Producer.

Beepster
 
I'll have to rewatch the vid to see which function you actually used but I think it was just "Transpose" which apparently is something different. I'm sure Melodyne or VV could easily do those as well (on monophonic material).

The Transpose function renders offline, so the quality is superior compared to the real-time playback offered by VV and Melodyne. 

Beepster
 
I remember you posting about the disappearance of the VC-64 author. Makes you wonder what happens to people and realize there are flesh and blood humans behind a lot of this stuff and not necessarily some faceless company.
 
 

Indeed, and we should appreciate those people...at one point Cubase fell behind in terms of its audio engine, and people were complaining on forums. What they didn't know was Mark Badger, its main architect, died unexpectedly at an early age from a congenital heart disease. Of course Steinberg got it sorted out eventually and carried on, but in an industry this small, losing just one person on a team can have a huge impact. In the case of the many one-person shops, it's the difference between something existing and something not existing.
 
I did a seminar in Denmark that was very well-received, and the person who put it on stressed how he wanted to have me back as soon as possible. I never heard from him, and thought maybe I'd offended him in some way but he wouldn't reply to my emails. I saw someone who had been at the seminar at NAMM, and asked how our mutual friend was doing. "You didn't know? He died in a car crash shortly after you were there." 
 
Life is short and unpredictable. Enjoy the ride.