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2014/05/15 20:02:52
ZeroContrast
Hey, guys, thanks for all the replies, been busy with studies so I hadn't had a chance to read and reply. Definitely appreciate all the info. Geist does sound like it could be the best option, especially if it's got the ability to do patterns, which makes sequencing so much easier. I'll have a look around for it, maybe see if there's a demo to check out before buying. And I may have a play with Session Drummer if it's a little while before I get Geist. And I may at least read up on Battery 4 and Poise. Thanks again.
2014/05/15 21:49:46
tlw
Another option would be to use Dimension Pro as a sample player - it also has filters, envelopes etc.
 
Whatever you decide to use to play samples, don't overook the Percussion Strip, it's a great drum kit processor.
2014/05/15 23:59:06
musichoo
+1 for geist.
2014/05/16 12:04:08
dubdisciple
Dim pro is not a bad option if you only need a simple stereo drumkit but a horrible drum option if you need a full kit with seperate channels for each sound.
2014/05/16 17:02:02
mettelus
Quick aside for Geist... it seems to go on sale (from $249 to $99) around every three months and should be coming up again soon. As dub mentioned, Geist does have its cons, but is a very powerful plug-in which is well-suited for sampling/layering/sequencing. It also has a nifty tool called "spitter" (utility plug-in that comes with Geist) that will route/sample inputs off any track, so the ability to sample/slice with Geist is infinite.
 
It is definitely worth a gander at the free trial, but to maximize usage of that trial, I would recommend downloading and reading the user guide first (it is a fairly complex plug-in in some regards).
2014/05/16 22:53:18
dubdisciple
The effects are good too. Breverb is built in. In fact the onboard effects are good enough that I can do my whole drum mix in geist and just use a stereo instance In Sonar instead of multiple tracks.
2014/05/17 01:31:09
sharke
I've been having an absolute ball tonight with the sample slicer in Geist. It's so easy to split a drum loop and play with it. In fact the default automatic slicing settings are so good you can have endless fun going through a folder full of loops and seeing what comes out. Back in the early 90's I used to dabble with drum & bass styles by splitting drum loops on my Amiga and putting them back together in different orders in OctaMED. I'd split loops into 8 parts by literally typing in the start and end numbers, in bytes, of the segments I wished to slice. It took so freakin' long. I like to think back to those days when I'm doing the same with one click in Geist. 
 
The effects are really cool as well, as dubdisciple says. It has some really gritty distortions which, placed on the whole kit, make any drums sound instantly awesome, especially if you're into electronic styles. It's also great fun to put one of the low pass filters on a bus and tweak the cutoff. I really love Geist, you can have so much fun just playing with it before you even start a project. 
 
Another bonus is that the manual is superb, in fact one of the best I've read. There is a LOT to learn with Geist if you want to use its full potential, but luckily the manual is extremely clear, accurate and very well organized. It's a joy to read, especially if you've just been trying to read something like the Kontakt manual 
2014/05/17 05:29:07
ZeroContrast
mettelus
Quick aside for Geist... it seems to go on sale (from $249 to $99)

Dude, that's awesome, is this on the company's own website?
 
sharke
It's also great fun to put one of the low pass filters on a bus and tweak the cutoff.

When you tweak the cutoff like that, can you do it as an envelope? (FL Studio is a bit of a bastard when it comes to automation IMO). Would love cutoff and/or resonance filters in a simple envelope again (was just starting to really utilize 'em back when I was still working with Acid Pro).


2014/05/17 05:30:15
ZeroContrast
dubdisciple
The effects are good too. Breverb is built in. In fact the onboard effects are good enough that I can do my whole drum mix in geist and just use a stereo instance In Sonar instead of multiple tracks.


This is boss btw, just the kind of thing I was hoping for.
2014/05/17 12:47:39
sharke
ZeroContrast
mettelus
Quick aside for Geist... it seems to go on sale (from $249 to $99)

Dude, that's awesome, is this on the company's own website?
 
sharke
It's also great fun to put one of the low pass filters on a bus and tweak the cutoff.

When you tweak the cutoff like that, can you do it as an envelope? (FL Studio is a bit of a bastard when it comes to automation IMO). Would love cutoff and/or resonance filters in a simple envelope again (was just starting to really utilize 'em back when I was still working with Acid Pro).





Almost everything in Geist is fully automatable and MIDI learnable, so you can record your cutoff performance like you would a parameter on any other synth. If you want to draw envelopes, you can either do this as usual in Sonar, or you can draw envelopes on a per-pattern per-track basis within Geist. If you do the latter, you'll be drawing in the envelope in the step sequencer, like this example:
 

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