• SONAR
  • Can't open .cwb. Error: "File is corrupt...Invalid audio format."
2009/08/01 15:39:00
alysara
Error: "File is corrupt: [file path] Invalid audio format."

I created the file using PE7. Now, when I try to open it, that's the message I receive.
Is there a workaround that'll enable me to get this open?


2009/08/01 16:34:01
slartabartfast
Good chance the file is corrupt. If it is valuable, you may want to see if Cakewalk support can help you salvage it.
You say you saved it in Sonar 7. Are you trying to open it with Sonar 7 and the same hardware and software that it was saved from? If not there is more hope that the error message is due to an incompatibility with the current environment. If possible try opening it with the original software/computer and the same settings you were using when you saved it.
If you search the forum, you will find quite a few posts on corrupted bundle files. The convenience of a bundle file is a trade-off against the difficulty of recovering useful data when the opaque proprietary format it is stored in goes bad. I am not aware that Cakewalk offers any bundle reader utility that can look inside the file, or that there is an open specification available that would help you use a hex editor to do it yourself, although apparently the support people can get in to some extent.

edit: I just psted this and found the next thread down the list was: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1784043
2009/08/01 16:56:34
alysara
Thanks slartabartfast

I appreciate the link. Yeah, it's the same sys. I just created it, deleted the project folder later, then tried to open the bundle and got that mesg. 
Still scratchin' my head.

Thx again,
Alysara
2009/08/01 23:31:31
slartabartfast
Stuff worth trying?

http://www.cakewalk.com/S...emsOpeningBUNfiles.asp

P.S. If I had my way Cakewalk would stop supporting the bundle file and put the effort into support for CAL and SFZ 2. These actually can add functions to the software. Zipping per project folders would accomplish much the same end as a bundle with a more repairable format.
2013/11/25 13:29:57
wetdentist
sadly, years ago, back when i was stupider, i used to save finished projects in .cwb and .bun only to find out later that by doing so i had killed them.  it sucks because i wanted to revisit a few of them only to find out that that was no longer an option.  does Cakewalk have a bundle disinfectant?
2014/04/28 04:33:57
Dofka
Unbelievable the software tells you to back up your files as .CWB
And they're corrupt? I have a client right now that is ready to release their cd, in which they have paid me $thousands$ of dollars to track at my studio over the last 5 years and now their .CWB backup files will not open
without a terrible message that says, corrupt audio will be padded with silence?


 
Why wouldn't Sonar tell you there is such a high failure rate with this?
I'm am sick over this, literally!
2014/04/28 06:49:31
Grem
So sorry to hear if your misfortune. I hope you have a recent back up that you can fall back to and not loose too much time.

The bundle files are good storage medium. So is zip files. But I have been burned by both.

I had a song that I did many many hours of work on. I knew better than to rely on the bundle file. So I zipped it and burned it on a DVD. About a year later went to open it and......

Back up, then back that up, then back that up off site. Then make sure your back up is valid, and can be opened and used.

So sorry again.
2014/04/28 06:49:36
Grem
DP
2014/04/29 14:12:06
Dofka
I didn't know that Bundles would go corrupt. They worked fine up to Sonar4 from what everyone says in the forum. Maybe Cakewalk should of sent out a memo warning that Bundles are no longer stable. You would think the company would stand behind their product and backup system and had an update fix after the first user that lost everything. It seems it's never been addressed. They should remove the .CWB possibilty as a backup altogether.

I am researching sending my hard drive with the deleted project files to a data recovery business. However,  most don't recognize .cwp and .cwb as legitimate extensions used by windows. And they would have to be able to return the folders, including all the data, with timestamped audio, back to the original location.

The band is from different parts of the USA and the singer lives in Canada, so the horrific thought of re-tracking everything isn't even a possibility.

As a paid registered user with SONAR, still not a peep from anyone at SONAR TECH.

The Per Project Folders I still have for other artists and my own, I will backup by copying the entire folder, I will also save as OMF as this may be my final straw with ever using SONAR.
My client from this 14 song botched backup by SONAR, also a paid registered Sonar user said he will be using something other than SONAR from now on. And the threads on my Facebook Page have also caused many to be alarmed.

I do appreciate the sympathetic post on the issue.
2014/04/29 15:16:23
Kalle Rantaaho
Dofka
I didn't know that Bundles would go corrupt. They worked fine up to Sonar4 from what everyone says in the forum. Maybe Cakewalk should of sent out a memo warning that Bundles are no longer stable. You would think the company would stand behind their product and backup system and had an update fix after the first user that lost everything. It seems it's never been addressed. They should remove the .CWB possibilty as a backup altogether.






It's not hard to imagine how irritated you are for that mess. Sorry about it.
AFAIK there's been no change in the reliability of bundles. It's not that they will go corrupt, but that IF they do, there's little you can do to rescue the project. As you say, it really would have been reasonable by CW to advise people not to use bundles as a backup-format, but only for co-operation with other musicians. ( You seem to call bundles a backup system. I've never thought of it as such.)
 
This may be silly, but I've sometimes thought that the modern high speed-high capasity drives and other hardware are what makes bundle-files fail. That the old, old bundling formula doesn't like speed, just like sometimes you must use lower speed in CD-burning in order to get reliable results.
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