2014/11/04 14:19:15
R.F.L
Hey,
 
I play with a band where when we record we record our parts at home and then upload to a ftp.
I use Sonar X3 producer and the rest of the band use a DAW called reaper.
We´re having trouble with when record my drums in Sonar (in Midi) then save it as a midifile.
When they import it in reaper it does not sound the same, and has a bunch of double strokes here and there.
 
They Think I should switch to reaper which is in my World a downgrade to a DAW that is not as good as my X3, and I have to relearn everything, I think the software is messy and too plain.
 
Anybody have any experience with reaper? or in general what is your thoughts about?
 
/Matt
2014/11/04 14:37:18
Mesh
Matt, I don't use Reason and not sure if this will help (or not)......but, found this link at the Popellerheads website:
https://www.propellerheads.se/substance/rewirehelp/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=sonar2
 

ReWire Tutorial Article Sonar - Step 2: Routing MIDI

Via ReWire you are not limited to transmitting only audio from Reason to Sonar, you can also send MIDI from Sonar to Reason. This way you can control everything from Sonar - in effect, Reason becomes a rack of devices that you play from the Rewire host! Or, if you like, you can have Reason's sequencer play some of the devices and the sequencer in Sonar play some - it's up to you.
 
1. In Reason, create the device you want to play.
2. In Sonar, select the MIDI track in the ReWire folder track we created in step 1.
3. Pull down the CH drop down menu on the track inspector to the left and select the Reason device you want to transmit MIDI to. The output of the MIDI track is now routed to that device.
If you enter some MIDI notes on the track and hit play, you will hear them being played by this Reason instrument device. This works just as if each Reason device was a stand-alone hardware MIDI sound module.
You can also play Reason instruments "live" this way, by selecting the proper MIDI input for the track in Sonar (the input to which your MIDI keyboard is connected). All incoming MIDI is immediately sent to the track's MIDI Output - the Reason device.
2014/11/04 14:50:20
dubdisciple
Mesh
Matt, I don't use Reason and not sure if this will help (or not)......but, found this link at the Popellerheads website:
https://www.propellerheads.se/substance/rewirehelp/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=sonar2
 

ReWire Tutorial Article Sonar - Step 2: Routing MIDI

Via ReWire you are not limited to transmitting only audio from Reason to Sonar, you can also send MIDI from Sonar to Reason. This way you can control everything from Sonar - in effect, Reason becomes a rack of devices that you play from the Rewire host! Or, if you like, you can have Reason's sequencer play some of the devices and the sequencer in Sonar play some - it's up to you.
 
1. In Reason, create the device you want to play.
2. In Sonar, select the MIDI track in the ReWire folder track we created in step 1.
3. Pull down the CH drop down menu on the track inspector to the left and select the Reason device you want to transmit MIDI to. The output of the MIDI track is now routed to that device.
If you enter some MIDI notes on the track and hit play, you will hear them being played by this Reason instrument device. This works just as if each Reason device was a stand-alone hardware MIDI sound module.
You can also play Reason instruments "live" this way, by selecting the proper MIDI input for the track in Sonar (the input to which your MIDI keyboard is connected). All incoming MIDI is immediately sent to the track's MIDI Output - the Reason device.


This is great advice except he said Reaper :)
2014/11/04 14:59:00
dubdisciple
As far as my thoughts about Reaper:
 
Pro: Cheap, Great routing options once you get used to the idea that there are no buses
Con: Does not have the bells and whistles of other Daws.  The workflow can be a bit wonky if used to other DAWS
 
 
The biggest con can be overcome for the most part with plugins.  Reaper (non-pro license) + Komplete on sale is less than man of the major DAW packages.  I have dabbled in it, but the fact that I never needed it made it never worth my time to get too deeply into it, since it does fee like a downgrade from X3 to me.  I try to avoid exporting midi files into other programs, preferring to instead export the rendered audio with no effects if a raw sound is needed. 
 
A few questions.  Are they triggering the same VSTs with the midi files you export?  Are the same effects applied as well? Right away we know they are not running Pro channel effects so make sure all these things line up.  The other issue could be resolution settings could be a mismatch.
2014/11/04 15:45:43
Mesh
dubdisciple
Mesh
Matt, I don't use Reason and not sure if this will help (or not)......but, found this link at the Popellerheads website:
https://www.propellerheads.se/substance/rewirehelp/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=sonar2
 

ReWire Tutorial Article Sonar - Step 2: Routing MIDI

Via ReWire you are not limited to transmitting only audio from Reason to Sonar, you can also send MIDI from Sonar to Reason. This way you can control everything from Sonar - in effect, Reason becomes a rack of devices that you play from the Rewire host! Or, if you like, you can have Reason's sequencer play some of the devices and the sequencer in Sonar play some - it's up to you.
 
1. In Reason, create the device you want to play.
2. In Sonar, select the MIDI track in the ReWire folder track we created in step 1.
3. Pull down the CH drop down menu on the track inspector to the left and select the Reason device you want to transmit MIDI to. The output of the MIDI track is now routed to that device.
If you enter some MIDI notes on the track and hit play, you will hear them being played by this Reason instrument device. This works just as if each Reason device was a stand-alone hardware MIDI sound module.
You can also play Reason instruments "live" this way, by selecting the proper MIDI input for the track in Sonar (the input to which your MIDI keyboard is connected). All incoming MIDI is immediately sent to the track's MIDI Output - the Reason device.


This is great advice except he said Reaper :)


Oooops......LOL......I totally got caught up in Googling, and all kinds of stuff popped up.
 
 
On the other hand Matt, if you ever decide to get Reason and need routing info.......
 
 
2014/11/04 16:12:56
dubdisciple
way to make lemonade out of lemons!! :)
2014/11/04 16:23:08
Jeff Evans
While still in Sonar as a midi file convert all your drum midi parts to audio and import those into Reaper instead. Moving midi files bewteen DAW's can be tricky at times.
2014/11/04 17:31:39
R.F.L
yeah, moving midifiles between DAW`s seems NOT to be the easy solution one would Think...
 
2014/11/04 17:32:51
MachineClaw
Do you have Reaper?  get it.
 
test all of your exporting etc inhouse with your system.  if it works for you a good chance it should work for them.  you can also save some time by creating Reaper files for your bandmates generating much good will with them.
 
they won't know nor care what you generated or use Sonar, they will be happy getting reaper files that work for them.
 
it also helps fix errors or weird things when you can talk apples to apples.  You don't have to learn all the bells and wistles or workflow stuff just doing simple track / audio / midi this way. 
 
you happy, they happy.
 
I don't know why Reaper would change the midi file generated by Sonar.  Can't help there.
 
(Reaper is one of the few DAWs I don't own, sorry).
2014/11/04 17:33:00
R.F.L
@Mesh, thanks for tryin to help, but we´re talking about reaper, not reason.
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