tacman7
I left X2 for S1 some time ago.
 
Going to give X3 a try.

 
Should you not wait until the demo comes out?

dke: Oh man, the right click lasso thing is one of my other pet peeves. LOL!!!! I'm getting used to that though and have been trying to get used to the arrows for my buses or using shift. I still hate it but it is what it is. I'd love for options to switch back. Remember when we first got the split clips change? You'd split your clip and the whole thing would stay highlighted and everyone complained.....so they gave us the option to have the left side highlight during a split, the right side or both.
 
I'd love to have that option for mouse scroll and lasso to be left click. I'd also like to be able to do away with some of the smart tool functions as well because to me, they make me have to do extra steps at times. I go back into 8.5 and enjoy editing so much more for some things. Of course when doing so I miss the X series features, but I just like options without having to settle or learn a new system. The new system doesn't always benefit a person and in my opinion, they shouldn't be forced to do something new when it doesn't make sense to them, ya know?
 
hockey: Hahahaha!!! I don't think I could ever lose the NJ accent. I can, however, pick up other peoples accents really well when I hang with them but still revert back to good ole Jersey. I was in England for a while and had the accent down so well, I was actually congratulated for "doing it right". LOL! When I first came home my mother (God rest her soul) said "omg, my baby, what happened to you...you're so.....English now!?" I was really pouring it on though and had her and my dad convinced. Hahaha! It helped when ordering drinks in the UK though. Seeing the looks on their faces when I ordered "Scotch on the rocks wiffa lil wooder" didn't go over too well. :)
 
Mod Bod: Yeah, for sure Sonar users have to get used to and try the new way of doing things to really experience the program. Unfortunately though, that can really be a nightmare for *some* especially coming from being so used to the old ways and being blessed enough to really work with Sonar. We have quite a few hobby users on here that still put in the time...but for we that are using this thing with great results for years, it becomes a lot harder to change your game plan. Then again, the majority seems to favor the new ways so that's a plus for Sonar on the whole.
 
Me personally, I could have stayed with Sonar 5 (which I did) for a much longer time. I wasn't happy with Sonar until Sonar 8. By the time the 8.3 patch came out, I really didn't care if I ever used another version of Sonar again. When X1 came out, I was really depressed yet excited to use and learn the new system. But by that time, I had a business that was kicking so much tail that it just wasn't feasible to learn an entirely new system with the traffic coming through. I'd be looking for something in X1 for 15 minutes that was right on my screen in 8.5. That alone frustrated the heck out of me. Then when I found out I just had to learn to use it differently, that was a nightmare too.
 
But that said, I had to give it a chance and there are more things about the X series that I like than those I don't like. I just really REALLY wish the guys that have the power to say "this is what we'll put into the next version" would stop removing things from us. In place of removing, give us additional options to use the DAW the way WE want instead of how THEY want us to use it. I really think that's fair, then again, when it comes to Sonar choices, I always seem to be in the minority and they can't make changes for one guy or even 20 guys...so I just do the best I can while hoping Sonar doesn't change too much. :)
 
-Danny

 Do I understand this tread correctly ?:
 Member CJaysMusic (who is a credit and inspiration to this forum) goes to Cakewalk Support about some workflow changes that were not written large in the literature, and gets told by support that this new behavior is as intended and to basically suck it up. He then posts here to discuss his unhappiness, and within a couple or three posts, we get Cakewalk on the thread with a full retraction, and an announcement that the issue that CJaysMusic is complaining about will be adressed on the very next point update.
 That is my understanding of what just happened here.
 My other question is:  What else can we get Member CJaysMusic to complain about?

worstcaseontario
 Do I understand this tread correctly ?:
 Member CJaysMusic (who is a credit and inspiration to this forum) goes to Cakewalk Support about some workflow changes that were not written large in the literature, and gets told by support that this new behavior is as intended and to basically suck it up. He then posts here to discuss his unhappiness, and within a couple or three posts, we get Cakewalk on the thread with a full retraction, and an announcement that the issue that CJaysMusic is complaining about will be adressed on the very next point update.
 That is my understanding of what just happened here.
 My other question is:  What else can we get Member CJaysMusic to complain about?

Or look at it this way - it's a really bad policy to change basic things like gui and navigation suddenly, with no retreat to the classic workflow.
 
That's what I discovered with my own software business in 16 years, anyway.Have a setting, if so in hackerlevel ini-files, to have it work like it always did.
 
And Cake realized it was a bad idea not to allow a setting to do new way or old way.
At least that is what I hope for in many things regarding navigation - more settings please.
 
I just hate the simulatenous zoom in two directlons, for one, completely useless and impossible to foresee what you end up with.
 
More custom toolbars with any menu command etc - like Sonar 8 had.
 
 

@worstcaseontario - It may well have been a matter of understanding the original post - interpreting.
 
Seth seemed to nail it, but put it out there like he wanted to make sure that he was understanding what CJ had tried to explain.
 
It seems like the Cakewalk folks have been very involved in helping to resolve things that could be resolved, as well as trying to understand if there were things that needed fixing.  They have all been quite noticeably present in quite a few threads, which has been great to see.
 
This is in addition to the first maintenance being available at the time of the X3 release, as well there having been an additional maintenance release already, and obviously another one in the works.
 
Hopefully, the majority of needs can be addressed - so far a really good release.
 
Bob Bone
 

If that is your reading of the thread then you simply do not understand the situation
 

worstcaseontario
 Do I understand this tread correctly ?:
 Member CJaysMusic (who is a credit and inspiration to this forum) goes to Cakewalk Support about some workflow changes that were not written large in the literature, and gets told by support that this new behavior is as intended and to basically suck it up. He then posts here to discuss his unhappiness, and within a couple or three posts, we get Cakewalk on the thread with a full retraction, and an announcement that the issue that CJaysMusic is complaining about will be adressed on the very next point update.
 That is my understanding of what just happened here.
 My other question is:  What else can we get Member CJaysMusic to complain about?

The bug reporting system works like this..
1. in large friendly letters it says "filing a bug report does not put you in contact with tech support"
2. if you report a bug, and its not a software bug for Sonar, ie it is doing exactly what it was coded to do, then the disposition is "works as intended"
3. to change the operation or functionality of sonar requires a feature request.
 
It is irrelevant to the bug report & feature request system what prior versions of Sonar did or did not do.
 
You may, by example cite a prior version of Sonar as the feature requested, or suggested alternative/addition to the way that Sonar operates. Or, you may post a thread in the forum to discuss it.
 
and that is where we are at.

 I feel my refusal to figure out the little "smiley face " things sometimes makes people take my posts more seriously than I really want them to. I like to deadpan in person as well.
 
 My main point was kinda to "big up" Member CJaysMusic.
 
 I have learned everything I know about music production (not much so far((not you guys' fault)) from this board, and CJaysMusic is one of the personalities who makes an impression on me.

lfm
I just hate the simulatenous zoom in two directlons, for one, completely useless and impossible to foresee what you end up with.
 
 

I hate the simultaneous zoom and scroll which in my opinion is broken as you often can't get back to where you started from before releasing the mouse (unless this bug has been fixed in X3).
 
This worked just fine in Kinetic I, back in the stone age.
 

worstcaseontario
 I feel my refusal to figure out the little "smiley face " things sometimes makes people take my posts more seriously than I really want them to. I like to deadpan in person as well.
 
 My main point was kinda to "big up" Member CJaysMusic.
 
 I have learned everything I know about music production (not much so far((not you guys' fault)) from this board, and CJaysMusic is one of the personalities who makes an impression on me.

It is quite difficult many times to divine attitude/tone/intent in written words.  There are also often cultural and language differences that make things sometimes get seen in a much different light then they were intended.
 
I learned a long time ago that adjectives are to be avoided in emails. I often have to pause and delete long strings of !@#$(*R(*R(*A from emails where I am actually just trying to say good morning.  :)
 
Bob Bone
 

Paul P

lfm
I just hate the simulatenous zoom in two directlons, for one, completely useless and impossible to foresee what you end up with.
 
 

I hate the simultaneous zoom and scroll which in my opinion is broken as you often can't get back to where you started from before releasing the mouse (unless this bug has been fixed in X3).
 
This worked just fine in Kinetic I, back in the stone age.
 

Press and hold right mouse button, then left click (with the cursor over the track view).
 
Left click hold, and then right click mouse button reverses that as well.
 
HTH