Thanks for the illustration, Brundlefly. I'm still wondering what makes the last track so much more desirable to isolate in the tracks display.

THANKS DANNY!!!
 
...very well presented and narrated.  I hope you folks get what you wish in the next update...
Personally ...I thought the issue was "freezing" a track at the top of the workspace....
 
Best Regards,
Roy
 
 

Danny Danzi

dke

John T
Well, different things matter to different people.

I was more just curious of why it would make a difference especially to the point of being disappointed in X3 in general over it.  I'm not against it or anything.
 
Dan

Don't get me wrong Dan, I'm definitely not disappointed with X3. I know you probably didn't mean me. I'll show you the thing that I'm talking about.
 
Keith: Arrows are cool, but if I'm editing with my mouse and doing my thing, I have to move to the arrows where as my finger is right on my mouse scroll. I's like pressing shift while scrolling...it's another thing that we have to do that was "right there" before, know what I mean?
 
Like I said in my first response, it's quite obvious I need to change the way I work to accept the change that was made. It's just super hard to not be able to scroll one click and see what I expect to see after doing this since Cake (insert version). We installed X3 on our work system down at my other studio. I didn't say anything to my chief engineer.....I just let him do his thing. 30 minutes after install he calls me and says "dude, I can't scroll up and down like I used to?!"
 
I know the people like me are probably too few for you to implement an option. I'm just finding it really difficult to break out of this. :(
 
Here's what I mean: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4909348/ScrollProblems.wmv
 
-Danny

The current UI scroll behavior has no plans to be changed in the next point release. This is the inability to scroll tracks when there is ample view re-estate. (intended)

Well that Freaking SUCKS! Why cant you scroll to see one particular track, if there is enough real estate to see it!??!? I mean there is enough track space to see it. You could do this in all the other versions.
 
So the intended way for this to work is not logical. We already established, there is enough space.. Is that because Cake gave them a certain amount of time to write this screwy code?

Agree about the lack of sends. As my mixing techniques have advanced so has the need for manifold sends. Ableton has a great system where, when a new send is created beyond what is pictured, a new dial appears on the console strip. At the moment there is room on the console strip for this to happen in Sonar too.
 
IMO the current implementation is clunky. It's always the little things. Another one is changing the state iof the inspector bar. Instead of pressing a different combo for each state why not make TAB button cycle through states or something similiar. Easier to remember.

Why won't Sonar put cream in my coffee, and make it whenever I want? As a professional non-professional, I have to say that the majority of us in the non-professional industry have cream in their coffee. This is outrageous, how could Cakewalk miss such a thing? Waaaaa!

In this case, I cannot scroll the track I'm soloing to the place where I have available real-estate.
 

 
You know what he's talking about.
 
So do I. I don't think that limiting us to scrolling within 1/2 the pane gives us enough credit as users.
 
Just my opinion. I'm not all worked up about it. Obviously CJ is seriously irritated (he isn't always, you know).
 
 

gswitz
In this case, I cannot scroll the track I'm soloing to the place where I have available real-estate.
 

 
You know what he's talking about.
 
So do I. I don't think that limiting us to scrolling within 1/2 the pane gives us enough credit as users.
 
Just my opinion. I'm not all worked up about it. Obviously CJ is seriously irritated (he isn't always, you know).
 
 

 
Very good example. Ctrl+Shift+H may still work, but scrolling down would be easier.

Use the Track Manager, is that so hard?

Super G, it's not so hard but it's not as good either. Right?
 
ctrl+shift+H can't be undone. You have to hit H and then go reselect the tracks you need. Definitely not fast, especially if you have a lot of tracks hidden by default.
 
Say you have 3 tracks hidden -- 5 , 7 , 9
 
Now you ctrl shift H on track 12. You want to get back. You can't just ctrl+z to get back. You have to hit H. Click the start of the range. Shift+click the end of your range. Hit space to select all the tracks. click on track 5. ctrl+click on 7 + 9. Space. Ok.
 
As CJ said, a spin of the scroll wheel has become 5-6 clicks.
In the case I demonstrated, it's 9 clicks, counting ctrl+click as a single... shift+click as a single etc. If you're a pro, couldn't we see this being WAY more clicks (read way more complicated track showing and hiding)?
 
And for what? What is the benefit of only being able to scroll to 1/2 the window?
 
That's the question I've repeatedly asked. I can see not letting us scroll the last track out of the window. That makes sense.
 
BTW, you can use track manager to remove every track, but you cannot remove every bus with track manager, even if you de-select them all.
 
I just think CJ is out here all alone and he has a reasonable gripe. So, here I am.
 
The best thing I can think of right now is using a volatile screen-set. By this, I mean copy my current screen-set to screen-set 0 by ctrl+clicking 0. Then use shift+h to get the track I want. then return to my screen-set I was on before (did I know which one I was on before?).
 
This would be a 3-4 click solution where getting back might take 9 clicks (cycling through my screen-sets looking for where I was). It still blows as a solution because every time you do it you have to re-open the plugs you're using that you want floating (b/c you copied the screen-set over).
 
A spin of the scroll wheel was better. I would love to hear why the change was made. Someone put thought into it. Paid people to change it. Noel? You? Who wanted this? Why? Is there something I'm missing?
 
 

SuperG
Why won't Sonar put cream in my coffee, and make it whenever I want? As a professional non-professional, I have to say that the majority of us in the non-professional industry have cream in their coffee. This is outrageous, how could Cakewalk miss such a thing? Waaaaa!

This.