Think I was getting "sends" mixed up with "effects returns" above!

Ok hang on...
 
I just removed the Vocal Sends from all my individual vocal tracks, and went to my Vocal Bus to add the Send there, but when I go to add it, it's not listed. If I click to add a Send to a regular track it's there, but not when I do it from the Bus. How come?

jkoseattle
Ok hang on...
 
I just removed the Vocal Sends from all my individual vocal tracks, and went to my Vocal Bus to add the Send there, but when I go to add it, it's not listed. If I click to add a Send to a regular track it's there, but not when I do it from the Bus. How come?

Are you sure you are not trying to send to the same buss?  You can't send to itself.

jkoseattle...I just removed the Vocal Sends from all my individual vocal tracks, and went to my Vocal Bus to add the Send there, but when I go to add it, it's not listed...

John must have your answer there.  Look at my screenshot in post #10.  I have a Send from the vocal bus going to the reverb bus.  But naturally when I inserted that Send, there wasn't a Send available back to that same vocal bus - You can only make a Send going to a different bus - Makes sense, yes?
 
Randy

That's not it. When I click on Sends from my Vocal Send, the Vocal Out bus is listed. But then I go down to Vocal Out, then Vocal Send is not listed.
 
OK, I figured it out. The Vocal Send was output to the Vocal Out. I changed that to Master, and then Vocal Send was available to Vocal Out. 

John T
Aside from terminology, sends and buses are not the same thing.
 
A bus is a stereo (or surround) channel to which audio can be routed. A send is one of the ways of routing something to a bus. The other way is via a track or bus output.
 
Not to be a pedant, but I think this is a distinction worth being clear about. A bus is an actual thing. Send and Output assignments are more like instructions.

Right, a send is a channel (like a cable) that connects the output of one bus to the input of another. Buses in SONAR are objects that know how to mix multiple inputs and can have multiple outputs. In the signal flow diagram you will also see that a bus internally has a prochannel and an effects bin. Tracks are also buses internally, with their input coming from the project wave files, synths etc.

jkoseattle
That's not it. When I click on Sends from my Vocal Send, the Vocal Out bus is listed. But then I go down to Vocal Out, then Vocal Send is not listed.
 
OK, I figured it out. The Vocal Send was output to the Vocal Out. I changed that to Master, and then Vocal Send was available to Vocal Out. 

So -
 
1)  All vocal tracks are going out to a Vocal Bus, selected by the output controls at the bottom of their channel strips. 
 
2)  A Send is opened on that Vocal Bus which goes to the Reverb Bus. 
 
3)  Both the Reverb Bus and the Vocal Bus have their outputs going to the Master.
 
- What you described still sounds strange, since you said your Vocal Send was going to the Master--?-- Vocal Send available to Vocal Out--?
 
Randy B.

rbowser
1)  All vocal tracks are going out to a Vocal Bus, selected by the output controls at the bottom of their channel strips. 

 
Yes
 

rbowser
2)  A Send is opened on that Vocal Bus which goes to the Reverb Bus. 

 
Close. It's not a Reverb Bus, it's called Vocal Send, and contains Reverb, EQ, Compressor and Stereo Widening. May change this eventually, since I haven't added any effects to the instruments yet, and I might make a Reverb Bus that all the instruments go through. The vocals are coming from a kind of an alien Beach Boys singing from space, and I haven't decided if the band is in space too or on the ground.
 

rbowser
3)  Both the Reverb Bus and the Vocal Bus have their outputs going to the Master.

 
Yes
 

rbowser
- What you described still sounds strange, since you said your Vocal Send was going to the Master--?-- Vocal Send available to Vocal Out--?

 
Is it still strange?

jkoseattle...Is it still strange?

Not strange! You can call your buses anything you like.  You've set up what I would call a Reverb bus, and you have more FX on it, so I wasn't just "close," I just had no idea of knowing what you'd named the bus.  It could be called Vocals That Rule The Universe if you wanted - though that wouldn't fit in the space provided. 
 
You got it goin' on now!
 
Randy

OK. So I know there's a forum for this kind of post, but everyone has been so helpful on getting me from 8.5 to X3, lots of help about Take Lanes, ins and outs, and assorted other things, I just thought I'd share the song I've been working on all this time on this forum. Since this is going on the album I'm pulling it off SoundCloud in a couple days, and this is just a first mix. 
 
https://soundcloud.com/jkoseattle/we-are-the-elders-v1/s-O6Qvq