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  • soloing a track that is side chained
2014/04/30 14:13:10
mixmkr
How do you solo a side chained track, to hear how much the sidechaining is having an effect on the overall track?  When you solo that track, it appears to then also mute the sidechain input track(s).  The only way I can see to do it is pull all the other track fadars down, that you don't want to hear (with the side chain input tracks obviously on pre fadar).  As you can see, that wouldn't be practical in a lot of situations.  Muting the tracks you don't want to hear (which would leave fader levels intact), also kills the send levels as well.
 
Seems I'm missing a simple step or a basic concept....or how to re-arrange the signal flow?
2014/04/30 14:42:50
tKx5050
Shift clicking on a track/bus solo button puts it into solo over-ride.
 
Steve
2014/04/30 14:46:21
scook
Set the send to the sidechain input pre-fader.
2014/04/30 15:42:44
mixmkr
Steve - Seems solo override is the best solution....but then you still have to pull back that particular fader as well IF you don't want to here the sidechain input channel as well.  This seems to be the shortest route.
 
Scook -  yes ..sidechained inputs are pre fader...but when another track is solo'd, it has the effect of muting ALL other tracks (unless it is in solo override).  Although the unsolo'd tracks, "Mute Buttons" don't light, it seems they are in effect put in mute status, as if the button were pushed, which is in line before the sends. 
2014/04/30 19:06:34
Anderton
I usually clone the track that's creating the sidechain signal for independent control over the audio and the control signal. Processing the control signal can do all sorts of interesting things. Often it's helpful to be able to automate the two differently as well.
2014/04/30 19:42:23
mixmkr
Anderton
I usually clone the track that's creating the sidechain signal for independent control over the audio and the control signal. Processing the control signal can do all sorts of interesting things. Often it's helpful to be able to automate the two differently as well.


that's an interesting thought.
 
However,...and not that this is really a *need* per se...   but I was looking for a way to solo JUST the receiving track that was side chained...WITHOUT losing the side chained sound on that track.  IOW, when you solo the track, it mutes ALL other tracks effectively, thus turning off the input track, whether it's pre fader, cloned or whatever.
 
Basically, I was really fooling around with the side chaining today, and looking for goofy, un-needed routing situations ;-D
2014/04/30 21:10:41
Anderton
mixmkr
Anderton
I usually clone the track that's creating the sidechain signal for independent control over the audio and the control signal. Processing the control signal can do all sorts of interesting things. Often it's helpful to be able to automate the two differently as well.


that's an interesting thought.
 
However,...and not that this is really a *need* per se...   but I was looking for a way to solo JUST the receiving track that was side chained...WITHOUT losing the side chained sound on that track.  IOW, when you solo the track, it mutes ALL other tracks effectively, thus turning off the input track, whether it's pre fader, cloned or whatever.
 
Basically, I was really fooling around with the side chaining today, and looking for goofy, un-needed routing situations ;-D


 
Group the receiving track and control track solo buttons. One click to solo, one click to turn off solo.
2014/04/30 21:39:54
mixmkr
 


Group the receiving track and control track solo buttons. One click to solo, one click to turn off solo.


yeppers...but still pull the fader down on the control track...as you'll still hear that audio.  Like I said, beating a dead horse with non-useful routing.  thx Craig.
2014/05/01 01:00:00
Anderton
Either I don't understand what you want, or you don't understand what I'm saying. I may have gotten too complicated because I set up pretty heavy-duty sidechain effects that involve processing the control track and sometimes pulling out some of the audio. But it sounds like you have a relatively basic request:
 
 I was looking for a way to solo JUST the receiving track that was side chained...WITHOUT losing the side chained sound on that track.

 
Let's use a practical example to make sure we're on the same page:
 
  • You have a track with guitar that's going through a gate with a sidechain input.
  • You want a track with drums to feed the gate sidechain via a send, so the guitar is gated by the drums.
  • You want to be able to solo the guitar track, hear how the drums feeding the sidechain affect the guitar sound, but not hear the drum track's audio.
Yes? If not, please explain what I'm missing.
 
When you solo the track, it mutes ALL other tracks effectively, thus turning off the input track, whether it's pre fader, cloned or whatever.

 
This is not correct, so maybe this is the issue. When you solo a track, you are effectively turning the channel fader on the other tracks all the way down. However, the status of any track's mute, solo, or fader position will affect a send ONLY if the send is set to post. As the send from the drums is pre-fader, it's not affected by the solo button on the guitar track. The signal feeding the sidechain persists, even though you can't hear the audio from the drums because the solo button has muted the drum track's audio output.
 
I just tested this now with the example given above, and if the track sending to the sidechain is pre-fader, and the send level is up, then the guitar will be gated by the drum sound whether the guitar track is soloed or not.
 
 Why do you consider the routing "useless" or "beating a dead horse" if it lets you solo the processed signal without hearing the audio from the control signal? Or do you want something else that I don't understand?
 
 
 
 
2014/05/01 02:50:36
Grem
Thanks for that clear explanation Craig. That's doable. And I may try this just to see if I can get it to work.
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