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2014/04/22 06:16:06
bobguitkillerleft
Hi All,
I don't ask a lot of questions because i often find it's some quirk of this thrashed 2011 XPS Laptop,but I'm following all the instructions in the Manual,and after simply dragging a guitar clip into a Soft synth MIDI track[instrument track split]as shown in the second half of this Jimmy Landry X3 vid:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErxCH5naiw0,and things seemed to trigger ARA until I realized[I don't think Jimmy mentioned Melodyne was involved at all?]after reading the manual that yes I indeed needed to use Melodyne[and Authorise it!].
 
In jimmys description he suggests v
using shift +Control[not mentioned in the manual seemingly??]and I'm sure I'm doing it correctly,selecting clip,selecting region FX,and as I don't want to change anything about the performance,I'm not doing anything in Melodyne,to change it.
 
Then after Melodyne activates I'm just dragging the "Melodyne Record" to the soft synth MIDI track,but all I end up with is a "monotone"single note nothing that is only representative of the clean guitar track by the rhythm spaces,just a single bland note?
 
What am I,or this cheeky "Pre Disturbed" laptop doing wrong?
 
Thank You in advance,as this seems an excellent way for a guitar player to finally have accces to my own nuances of playing,but to the vast array of instruments in Sonar.
Bob
2014/04/22 09:24:20
scook
An audio clip may be converted to MIDI by dragging it to a MIDI track. SHIFT+drag will preserve the clip location  in the timeline. It may be necessary to check/set the default algorithm in Melodyne beforehand to get the best result. Keep in mind, Melodyne Essential bundled with SONAR is monophonic. Depending on the guitar track Essential may not work well. To convert polyphonic audio to MIDI requires Melodyne Editor.
 
2014/04/22 09:52:17
rebel007
I think scook has it, are you trying to convert a one note lead track or chords? If chords, then the upgrade to Melodyne editor is required.
In the tutorials it mentions that trying to convert a guitar lead to midi can be difficult if there are bends and hammer etc. Melodyne can find it difficult to understand and convert these.
Control-shift is just a Sonar edit that copies, not moves, your clip and keeps it from moving along the timeline.
2014/04/23 13:57:21
stevec
^^^^^^^^^
 
Shift+Drag just means Move vertically but lock horizontally, and Ctrl+Shift+Drag means Copy vertically but lock horizontally.  
 
But I'm not sure the Ctrl key is needed in this case - doesn't dragging an FX Region audio clip to a MIDI track of any kind automatically make a copy instead?
 
2014/04/23 21:11:45
bobguitkillerleft
Thanks for the replies guys,I finally worked it out,I didn't realize I had to choose an option in Melodyne,and "Melodic" seems to work OK,though for some reason it won't let me choose"Polyphonic".
 
The source audio is just some clean chords on guitar.
Cheers
Bob
 
PS I NOW realize I need to upgrade to Melodyne Assistant,or Editor to get to use "Polyphonic"
2014/04/24 00:09:33
Scoot
stevec
bobguitkillerleft
 
PS I NOW realize I need to upgrade to Melodyne Assistant,or Editor to get to use "Polyphonic"




and then upgrade from Editor to Studio to get Pitch Bend data in the Midi conversion
 
 
 
2014/04/24 01:49:57
sharke
It's well worth upgrading if and when the next offer comes around. I don't think I would have done it without the discount that was offered last year, but I'm glad I did. The polyphonic mode leads to musical ideas you would never have had otherwise and is a boon for anyone like me who is crap at keyboards but proficient on guitar. 
 
In general, I feel that it helps to turn the tone knob right down when you record the guitar, probably because it filters out a lot of the kind of harmonics that confuse Melodyne and emphasizes the fundamentals you want the pitches of. 
2014/04/24 14:20:24
Cactus Music
Or buy a Guitar synth rig which is a lot more fun and probably not much more cash. 
 
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TriplePlayPU
 

2014/04/24 14:24:39
Cactus Music
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MeloEd2EsUp/
 
Yes it looks like Melodyn is about $250 for the upgrade, the Fishman is $150 more. Just think what you can do with that! The main thing is you can listen in real time to what your getting. 
I have even played drum parts on my old clunker GR 50. 
2014/04/24 15:38:52
mmorgan
I've got the Fishman. It is not a product I would recommend. YMMV
 
Regards, 
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