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  • Will there be an x3 F? (p.2)
2014/04/24 07:46:42
robert_e_bone
They have always chosen when and how to announce whatever they are intending to do, despite the endless "what's next threads", and that's not likely to change.
 
Yes, they did communicate a couple times about some maintenance fixes, but over the last 20+ years, they pretty much have stayed quiet.  
 
They will 'sometime' release 'something', and until that happens, that's all we will know.
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/04/24 08:15:42
mudgel
X3 broke with the tradition of previous years. At one time during the update process we were even told how a particular fix wouldn't make it into the next update but the one after that.

Those sorts of time it's were let slip with every update during X3s update cycle.

Much discussion was held about the openness and return to a former level of user interaction and company transparency.

Is it really going to give away a trade advantage by saying there won't be any more updates or there'll be one more in this device cycle to clean up a few lingering bugs. Just a discussion.
2014/04/24 08:33:46
Splat
I'm extremely happy with the Bakers direction right now. Sonar just gets better and better.
 
However I think the case for X3F is clear (#1):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Outstanding-Issues-as-of-X3E-UNOFFICIAL-m3009969.aspx#3009969
 
2014/04/24 10:18:28
Anderton
mudgel
Much discussion was held about the openness and return to a former level of user interaction and company transparency.

 
The ability to interact on the forums will go in cycles. Remember, Cakewalk is a small company. If they're on the forums, they're not doing something else. For example, there's now a video series on the virtual instruments by Karl Rose that needed to be put into production. Dan Gonzalez just finished a comprehensive video series on compression and the PC2A, as well as some stories for the blog (as have I). There's always more to be done than time to do it, so the company needs to make choices about how to best use its resources. I think they're doing a very good job of juggling priorities.
 


Is it really going to give away a trade advantage by saying there won't be any more updates or there'll be one more in this device cycle to clean up a few lingering bugs.


Product roadmaps, which includes updates, are not for public consumption. When Cakewalk has announced something in advance, it's because they're 100% SURE it will happen. Anything under 100%, even if it's 99.9%, doesn't get announced.
2014/04/24 17:41:15
AT
Cake does what it wants to do - it is like having a crazy girlfriend.  Sometimes she gives you ideas of what she will do, other times everything is a complete surprise.  Just enjoy the ride.  Because it doesn't help to complain.
 
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2014/04/24 18:06:02
Splat
AT
Cake does what it wants to do - it is like having a crazy girlfriend.  Sometimes she gives you ideas of what she will do, other times everything is a complete surprise.  Just enjoy the ride.  Because it doesn't help to complain.
 
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I'm swapping my girlfriend for Cakewalk, thanks for waking me up (has saved hours of therapy).
2014/04/24 18:37:02
sharke
To be honest I'm happy enough with X3e that I don't mind one way or the other. It's definitely the happiest I've been with Sonar so far.
2014/04/24 19:43:29
kennywtelejazz
I'm all for keeping things on the down low until it's time to announce an update or change
Life itself is a lot lot that , and things sometimes work out to be on a need to know basis …. 
when you really need to know ……...you'll know...
 
hhhmmm,
I've never looked at the concept of asking Cakewalk to be my official old lady  
( I wonder if she can afford all the therapy that would take )
 
Oh well , a little bit of candle light , while strumming my guitar into my DAW has sure kept me out of a fair amount of serious trouble
 
Kenny 
 
PS : who really cares about what I'm saying ? …..I do 
2014/04/24 20:00:08
AT
Kenny, you need to get out a little.  And Alex, I was speaking metaphorically.  But I did marry that crazy girlfriend.
2014/04/24 20:24:33
wst3
it is a little bit sad, but the vapor ware epidemic of the late 1980s pretty much spoiled things for consumers. And yeah, for those that might not remember, it really was that bad!

It isn't just software either - hardware can be very unpredictable right up until the first production run (sometimes even after the first production run<G>!)

No names, but I worked on a product, we had a dozen units from the pre-production run, everything looked great, and whammo - not even a technical glitch, but a legal one, and the product never made it to market. Fortunately for the company the product was not widely announced (the owners were very gun shy of becoming another purveyor of vapor), but there were enough folks that knew we had completed the pre-production run, and that except for a slight heat issue the hardware worked really well, so it was more than a little embarrassing at the next big trade show!

Still not names, but as a customer I remember waiting more than a year from the "we are shipping" announcement to actual delivery of a sample library. And the developer, who I am sure was all but in a panic, kept saying "real soon now" - which was a huge error (at least I thought so.) I bought that mythical library, and I think the year spent waiting was part of the reason it did not live up to expectations.

With software it's even worse. I've worked on projects where the bugs just never stopped popping their ugly little heads up - or at least that how it seemed at the time. This was not MI software either, something relatively simple - internet security<G>. I can recall agreeing, reluctantly, to participate in a bake-off that was scheduled six months out. We did not make it. and that made a lot of the investors very nervous!

How can you miss a six month deadline you ask? Turns out it is a LOT easier than it looks...

So while it would be nice if Cakewalk could announce their plans, I think it is wise of them do be cautious. Of course I can be calm, and even generous, because X3e is working quite well for me. My biggest gripe at the moment is some 'fun' with large Kontakt instances, matching outputs to tracks, which is nothing new, and of course the plugin manager still drives me nuts. All in all that's not so bad!
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