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  • X3d - Zoom Still As Messed Up As In X3c (p.2)
2013/12/21 15:26:51
Splat
If there are bug LETS GET THEM DOCUMENTED! Then they might be fixed :)
2013/12/21 15:40:27
jb101
Sylvan
Zoom is not riddled with bugs. A new and more powerful and efficient work flow has been introduced. Adopting these new and more effective work flows are a huge benefit.



Exactly.  It took me some time to get to grips with the new Zoom and Take Lanes way of working, but now work much faster.
 
The secret, IMHO, is to learn how they are meant to work, rather than force onto them my own thoughts on how they should work.
 
This is in no way aimed at Keni, who has put up with much over the last few years.
2013/12/21 15:49:27
Leadfoot
@Anderton - Thanks for the info Craig! I know the post was meant for Keni, but you helped me as well. I'm looking forward to trying auto zoom!
2013/12/21 16:14:51
sharke
Frankly I don't know how anyone could work without autozoom. Unless the tracks are at their minimum height it just feels like you're permanently zoomed into your project and you can't see diddly squat of the whole picture. I like to have as many tracks visible as possible while being able to zoom into a chosen track with one click, and autozoom is perfect for that.
2013/12/21 17:48:18
Anderton
Leadfoot
@Anderton - Thanks for the info Craig! I know the post was meant for Keni, but you helped me as well. I'm looking forward to trying auto zoom!



The reason why I like Auto-Zoom so much is I can have an overview of the project, but swoop down and do detailed edits on any track that needs it.
2013/12/21 21:03:56
Splat
OK great - Keni?
2013/12/22 23:03:01
Keni
Funkybot
Keni,
 
I think part of the problem is that as CakeAlex points out, what you're doing is not clearly spelled out, nor is what you're expected. If you stick to a format like the one below, people might understand what you're talking about:
 
Step 1: First do this
Step 2: Second, do that
etc...
 
Expected Result: This is what I'm expecting to happen.
 
Actual Result: Instead, this is what I'm actually seeing.
 
Screen prints, or videos, along with comparisons to prior versions of Sonar would also be helpful. 
 
And just for everyone on a forum: when reporting bugs or talking about issues, the fewer words, the better. If you stick to the above format and stay away from writing in paragraphs, you're a lot more likely to get people 1) reading your post, 2) understanding what the issue is, 3) knowing how it happens, and 4) understanding what should happen.
 
This is basically how beta testers are asked to report issues for most companies.




I'm sorry...
 
I've done plenty of beta testing but ...
 
I thought it's pretty obvious...
 
1) find a track with more than one lane
2) z-click-drag and area to zoom on the track (lanes are closed)
 
Expected result:
 
Area within the drag should now expand to fill the screen
 
Actual result:
 
Time range expands correctly but track height only expands to the limited size that Lanes do
 
Note that this process works fine on tracks with only a single lane...
 
 
Keni
 
2013/12/22 23:12:40
Keni
Anderton
Keni, with all due respect, I don't think you are taking advantage of what the tools offer. I just don't understand what you're trying to do that you think Sonar can't do, and I see nothing you've found that qualifies as a "bug." You most certainly can type Z, select an area, and whatever area you select (including a single track) will fill the whole track view, assuming that's what you want.
 
I'm not exactly sure what it is you want to accomplish, but I have a recommendation based on a workflow that works really well for me.
 
This is based primarily on auto-zoom, which is FANTASTIC once you get the hang of it. I often want to be able to see as many track headers as possible BUT also work on an individual, zoomed in track. This is easy with auto-zoom, and here's my workflow:
 
1. Hit Shift-Z to enter auto-zoom.
2. Select a track, THEN adjust the selected track's height by dragging on the splitter bar to the subjectively optimum viewing height (usually pretty high).
3. Any track header you click on will now expand to the optimum viewing height, and the previously selected track will collapse. Or (I do this a lot) use the up/down arrow keys to go to a different track. As you pass by a track, it will expand and then collapse after you go past...a convenient "preview" function.
4. The complement to this is I use ctrl right arrow and ctrl left arrow to zoom in and out horizontally.
 
(Note that this does NOT expand Take Lanes because they are not tracks. They are for recording takes.)
 
I find this a really efficient way to zoom in to any degree I want on any track. But, there are a zillion different ways to zoom. All you need to do is find the one or two ways that work really well for you.
 
Rather than saying everything is "messed up," please describe exactly what it is you want to accomplish. I'm sure there are several ways to do pretty much anything you want when it comes to zooming.




OK... I think I just did this but it's very simple... I know the methods you suggest but they all require more work than I normally have to do...
 
Note that this issue only seems to happen when a track has more than one lane...
 
1) choose a track with more than one lane and hide them
2) use z-click-drag to highlight and select an area
 
Expected Result:
 
Area selected instantly expands to fill the screen
 
Actual results:
 
Time range expands correctly but the track height stops at the same max size as a lane does...
 
I find the z-click-drag the fastest way we ever have to zoom an area whether it is one tracks of numerous...
 
This tool works fine if all the lanes have only a single lane
 
Please note that the reason I originally stated "all messed up" is because I still hadn't isolated the problem and realized there were varying situations where it would or would not work correctly... I'm plenty familiar with the myraid of methods we have for zooming but they all require more fiddling than this method... and I play guitar, not fiddle! ;-)
 
thanks...
Keni
 
2013/12/22 23:16:50
Keni
Sylvan
Zoom is not riddled with bugs. A new and more powerful and efficient work flow has been introduced. Adopting these new and more effective work flows are a huge benefit. Try something new, you might like it.



This is not about any new ways of anything.... we're not talling about lanes here this is about track zooming... Please see my bug report style posts above this one...
 
Yes, Zoom is not riddled with bugs, but it took me a bit to discover the culprit and it felt more problematic until I understood where the bug-situation exists and could document it....
 
the timeline zoom is a new method but only good for timeline zooming and requires a separate zoom for track height...
 
Keni
 
2013/12/22 23:20:33
Keni
 
the auto zoom never seems to be the size I need to work... I need to either see all tracks or focus on one or two.... auto zoom does not let me do either... I know I could make the track height default for auto zoom full screen, but then I can't see the other tracks to  switch easily...
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