well bob, i'll be darned. just opened an old project using ss in 6/8 time and what i had it set to was 6 beats 2 steps per beat but fit to quarters was engaged and set to 3. that's my memory going bad in my old age. lol.  anyway what that got me in the project was 12 16th notes from ss - i also had one where beats was twelve and fit to quarters was set to 6 so that got me 2 bars of 8th notes. ARGH sorry sharke i hate adding to the confusion. for the life of me i can't get anything in 7/8 time to work.  

thanks bob.

Interesting. I had thought that setting it up for the time signature I wanted would be a no-brainer. When I couldn't work out how to do it, I had thought that someone else would be able to tell me "oh yeah, you have to do X, Y and Z" - I didn't for one minute suppose there was no way to do it (without Bob's workaround - and I think doubling the tempo would discombobulate me to the point where I'd question whether or not I really wanted to write a 7/8 tune to begin with ). 

It seems like yes, this should be easy to implement since it's just numbers and so one meter is much the same as any other where computer code is concerned. Bit disappointed in Sonar in this respect. The DAW should not be restricting my rhythmic decisions! 

Oh well, I guess I will just use the PRV for this one. I do like the step sequencer for certain things though. 

Loptec


If you change it like this:
Beats: 14
Steps: 4
And have the "fit to quarters: On" and the number to the right set to "7"

Will this give you what you want, or have I misunderstood what you're after?

This isn't it unfortunately - the "fit to quarters" number cannot deliver the intended meter, not unless you could set it to 3.5. 

swamptooth


oh, weird... 6/8 time seems to be displayed incorrectly in the time ruler on my system. how about you, sharke??? even editing midi notes in prv. .. esp apparent with metronome on. 

No it's displaying right in the time ruler - 7/8 time gives me 7 beats per measure. 

Well, I have my method, which fits my needs, except it looks weird and the metronome being twice as fast sounds stupid (I turn down the metronome or it sounds like a jackhammer).

Anyways, when I played around with the fit to quarters, then looked at how it all displayed in Track View, it didn't seem quite right.

AND, 7/8 does not work with that method - at least not properly.  Not without being able to type in 3.5 to it.

So, I will use my method.

Bob Bone

sharke

swamptooth


oh, weird... 6/8 time seems to be displayed incorrectly in the time ruler on my system. how about you, sharke??? even editing midi notes in prv. .. esp apparent with metronome on. 

No it's displaying right in the time ruler - 7/8 time gives me 7 beats per measure. 

And the issue is not in getting it to do 7 beats per measure, it has to do with having 7 beats per measure with an EIGHTH note meter base, rather than a quarter note meter base.  That is why I do the doubling of tempo, so that it all plays back as if it WAS entered as 7/8. (caps added for marginal emphasis, and please do not think any anger or loudness was intended).


Bob Bone

why is this still not fixed?  why is there still no way to tell the step sequencer to use 8 in the denominator?  why doesn't the sequencer figure it out on its own?

Brian - I have been asking for this change to Step Sequencer for LITERALLY YEARS NOW, and it just may never happen.
 
I play progressive music all day, every day, and work in all kinds of 8th-note meter based time signatures, and THIS DRIVES ME NUTS.
 
It just never seems to get high enough on the list of things to do, and so it never gets implemented.
 
BAKERS!!!???!!!?????!?!?!?!?!!??!?????????
 
Bob Bone
 

robert_e_bone
It just never seems to get high enough on the list of things to do, and so it never gets implemented.
 

As with most things that would be my guess - the number of users that would benefit from something like this vs. VST3, ARA, Comp improvements, etc, etc.    Otherwise known as law of limited resources = tradeoffs.  
 
OTOH, I'd like to use the SS more but I also have a tendency to sprinkle 1/8 based meters in many tunes so I (out of habit) don't use it... even when I'm in 4/4 and actually should!
 

Well, there IS a way to represent odd meters in Step Sequencer.  It's just not 'pure'.
 
What I do is I use a meter base of 1/4 note, because that is all you CAN do in SS.
 
SO, to enter a clip of lets say 2 measures 7/8, I create the clip to be 14 beats, but since the meter base is a quarter note, it would play back half as fast as it should.  So, I simply insert a tempo change for that clip's duration only, to double the tempo, which then plays the clip back twice as fast.
 
The end result of the above is that it plays back as 2 measures of 7/8, even though it was initially entered as 2 measures of 7/4.  Doubling the tempo makes it play back to sound like 7/8.
 
I don't LIKE it the above way, but is does allow me to use SS for my odd-meters.
 
Bob Bone