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2014/04/11 15:19:33
stevec
Yeah...  but I typically would only use SS for drums, but since the tempo change would also affect all othe MIDI tracks I've have to cut the tempo of all those clips in half (relatively).  Which is why I typically just use PRV for everything.
 
2014/04/11 16:22:41
mettelus
The SS is the only thing that has really given me grief (personally) with X3. I got Geist based on a forum recommendation, and it cycles sales at $99 every few months (normally $249). The UI is not as clean to work in for certain tasks, but is a very capable sequencer (with a lot more features). It is also a sampler/slicer and has a built in plug-in called "spitter" that you can route audio to the sampler from any track (which is a nice feature for things you cannot outright import, like AD sounds). Geist can be used either as a MIDI trigger to something like AD, or pull the sounds into Geist and layer pads there (i.e. Geist firing off audio instead).
2014/04/11 18:50:18
sharke
I have Geist and it is superb, although it doesn't handle time sig changes in the host. Having said that there are so many ways you can use it (pattern sequencer, trigger patterns via MIDI, drag patterns into host etc) that it's not too much of a problem.
2014/04/11 19:33:05
robert_e_bone
Well, I just got used to dealing with the idiotic need to double tempo to turn 7/4 into 7/8, so that's what I do, and yes, that means that any other clips I create in the same time span also will be at that double tempo, though if they are captured live it doesn't matter - you are just recording along with the playback of the drums and don't then care what the tempo is.
 
BUT, I still wish the Bakers would grant me and others like me this change to SS to support having an eighth note as a meter base.  I would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO grateful.
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/04/12 04:56:33
Featherlight
+1

The SS is a truly valuable tool for original beat creation and we use it almost exclusively with AD for that! Only complaint is the lack of support for beats that are not 4/4 based. Triplet feels are difficult as well and if you convert an odd signature to SS, you can get some pretty wacky results sometimes.
2014/04/12 06:55:19
Scoot
Maybe we can convince the Bakers there's a bug with 'Covert Midi Clips to Step Sequencer', If you create a 7/8 time in piano roll and convert, it changes it to 4 Beats, which is a faulty conversion.
2014/04/12 07:31:26
robert_e_bone
I DO consider that a bug.  If the function allows the conversion of 7/8 time to a SS clip, then it should work.
 
Please submit that as a bug, maybe that will do the trick.
 
If I could trade any good Karma there might be out there from all the posts I have invested time in to help folks, I would INSTANTLY trade that for the ability to have an eighth note meter base in Step Sequencer, so that all of us odd-meter folks could seamlessly add and use odd-metered clips to our music, without having to jump through hoops of doubled tempos and all that junk.
 
Bakers - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add eighth note meter base to Step Sequencer.  It has literally been YEARS now that I have asked for this feature - (and it is actually a bug for those trying to convert PRV odd-metered clips to SS clips)
 
Maybe if the folks that get something resolved from something I have posted were to submit this feature request enough times............................. (he humbly posts hopefully, believing that things in the universe tend to unfold as they should)
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/04/16 21:43:00
brian brock
this is one of those problems, too, where it seems from the user's perspective to be a fairly trivial fix.  As far as I can tell, the step sequencer basically just creates a special version of a midi clip with groove clip looping turned on, right?  So switching the meter base should just make a different midi clip - the step sequencer doesn't seem actually to interact with the project other than getting tempo information from it.
2014/04/16 23:06:35
robert_e_bone
I dunno - all I know is that this has been a royal pain for years, and I would REALLY like to see it changed to allow an eighth note meter base for SS.
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/04/16 23:42:20
Cactus Music
I use oddball meters from time to time,, I see no problem, I set the metronome to the closest equivalent and I play along. Triplet has always worked great for me, half my music is in triplet time. I play it, I quantize it. no big deal. 
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