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  • Gain trim and "apply audio effects"
2014/04/12 14:29:12
Cybertizzen
I find it very strange that the gain trim is ignored when rendering audio effects from the insert bin on individual tracks. This must surely be an oversight?
2014/04/12 22:03:52
bitflipper
Trim happens before the fx bin, and is not considered an effect. That it remains active after freezing or applying effects is a great benefit.
2014/04/13 04:54:01
Cybertizzen
Well, I only see the problem with that: it means that any gain-sensitive effect in the fx bin will sound different when rendered. How can this be of benefit? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to consider the trim part of the effects, and simply set it back to zero after rendering?
2014/04/13 07:52:13
scook
Freeze or bounce the track
2014/04/13 08:10:26
John
Cybertizzen
I find it very strange that the gain trim is ignored when rendering audio effects from the insert bin on individual tracks. This must surely be an oversight?


This is the first time I have heard of this. Are you sure that you have it correct?
2014/04/13 08:47:19
gswitz
He said Apply Audio FX. Is it possible Cybertizzan is applying FX like when you choose Process > Apply Effect and it's going straight to the clip without going through the gain stage?
 
Cybertizzan, I don't usually use Apply Effect so I'm not much use. But I think it is possible that apply effect works differently than Freeze Track. Freeze Track actually bounces down the track and keeps it inline. I think that's what you're after here. Apply Effect is really limited to just the FX applied and the related clips.
 
If you want a new track with the FX applied to the wave form exactly as you have it, you can use bounce to tracks. It's not quite the same as Apply FX, but it might serve.
 
If your goal is just to free up processing power, you should use Freeze Track.
2014/04/13 17:36:13
Cybertizzen
Thank you for the helpful reply.
gswitz
He said Apply Audio FX. Is it possible Cybertizzan is applying FX like when you choose Process > Apply Effect and it's going straight to the clip without going through the gain stage?

This is exactly what I'm doing.
 
gswitz
If your goal is just to free up processing power, you should use Freeze Track.

Well, my goal is not primarily to free up processing power, but to apply effects that are bound to my iLok to tracks that are to be exported to a separate laptop to serve as backing tracks for live use.
 
Freeze track is an alternative, but comes with its own set of issues if I were to unfreeze them; any subsequent edits get reverted. I think for my case, the best workaround will be to replace the trim with a gain-plugin first in the effects bin.
2014/04/13 17:40:39
Anderton
Why not just bounce the track to another track, which you then export? It will reflect the gain settings and include the iLok-bound effects. Or, bounce the track to itself if you don't need to keep the original for some reason.
2014/04/13 17:48:59
Cybertizzen
Anderton
Why not just bounce the track to another track, which you then export? It will reflect the gain settings and include the iLok-bound effects. Or, bounce the track to itself if you don't need to keep the original for some reason.

Sure, that will probably work as well. I will just need to get all the "bounce to track"-settings right (for instance excluding bus inserts etc.), but then again - I could always the bounce-settings as a preset once I get it to behave in the desired manner.
2014/04/13 18:53:15
scook
To add a gain control in the FX bin add an empty FX Chain, Channel Tools or a plug-in like Sonalksis FreeG
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