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2013/10/27 19:08:27
LunaTech
johnchaf
NOTE TO LunaTech:
(1) Computer > Manage > Device Manager > Sound, video and game controllers    ...correctly shows Akai MPD26
(2) SONAR X3 Producer > Edit > Preferences > MIDI > Devices    ...correctly shows Akai MPD26 in both the "Inputs" and "Outputs" panels.
At this time, the "Inputs" panel has 3 items checked: 3 V-Control, TheComputerWorks, and Akai MPD26.
At this time, the "Outputs" panel has 3 items checked: 3 V-Control, Akai MPD 26, and TheComputerWorks. NOTE: "TheComputerWorks" is the full computer name. NOTE: V-Control is part of an iPad control application that does not work. [However, I did get AC-7 Pro HD to work a while ago.]
(3) I then started a new SONAR project, inserted a single audio track, inserted a single MIDI track, dragged a synth over to the audio track. On the MIDI track I set IN = "All Inputs Omni" and I also set OUT = Addictive Drums vsti (64-bit).
After clicking the Play and Stop button, not only would the mouse play the various drum sounds but so did the pads on MPD26. OK, not every pad was playing something, but many pads were playing. So I saved the project and am now happily standing by for the next lesson.
 
It was a bit wierd about clicking the Play and Stop button. It's sorta like Addictive Drums needed a jump start.
 


Hi John,
Ok... It seems that we are on our way. Lets look at getting the transport working for the MPD in Sonar.
Section 1:
1. From Sonar go to Edit - Preferences- Midi - Control Surfaces.
2. From the Control Surfaces screen choose the "+" sign.  This will bring up the dialogue for a new surface.
3. From the Controller Surface drop down, Choose "Cakewalk Generic Surface".
4. Choose the MPD 26 for the "in" and leave the "out" set to "none" at this time. Select "ok" and the surface will appear in the list for surfaces. Select apply and then close out of the preferences section.
Section 2:
1. From Sonar go to Utilities menu and double click the "Cakewalk Generic Surface".  
2. From the Presets choose the Akai MPK 49 from the list.
3. Look to the Bottom left of the screen and you will see a "Global Parameters" section and select the "Play" button. (The button will fill in with a solid color).
4. Push the play button on the MPD 26 and then click the "Learn" button in the Sonar dialogue and you will see the "Trigger Message" parameter fill in with the hexadecimal value of that button.
5. Repeat step four for each of the subsequent transport buttons. Save what you have done by typing "MPD 26" in the preset slot and hitting the save icon (looks like a floppy disk). Close out of the window. Test when finished in sonar.  When testing "Play" pleas copy a clip (midi or Audio) so that playback can start.
 
Let us know how this turns out...
2013/10/28 18:02:24
johnchaf
NOTE TO LunaTech
The instruction (3) worked and instruction (4) failed with the PROBLEM DESCRIPTION below. I have also modified the next few sequential instructions -- particularly with the idea of setting the Controller/Surface in SONAR prior to attempted usage.
 
3. Look to the Bottom
right of the screen and you will see a "Global Parameters" section and select the "Play" button. (The button will fill in with a solid color).
4. Push the play button on the MPD 26 and then click the "Learn" button in the Sonar dialogue and you will see the "Trigger Message" parameter fill in with the hexadecimal value of that button.
 
PROBLEM DESCRIPTION I did not see the "Trigger Message" parameter fill in with hex. I tried all kinds of before/after sequences/combinations thinking maybe there was an oversight in the instructions. I also notice there is an Controller/Surface ACT Learn Mode button that turns "blue" when clicked. But still had no hex.
In spite of no hex values, I did proceed with the instructions and saved the preset with name=MPD26. After saving, while trying to use the preset, the SONAR tiny MIDI keyboard indicator in the tray (at the bottom of my screen) clearly shows a MIDI message arriving:  Play = red light goes ON and stays ON, Stop = red light goes OFF and stays OFF, pressing a pad = red light blinks ON/OFF with each press. So, a signal is getting thru.
PROBLEM FINAL COMMENTS: I think SONAR is not really in "learn" mode.
 
These are the modified instructions. Notice the added instruction (6):
5. Repeat step four for each of the subsequent transport buttons. Save what you have done by typing "MPD 26" in the preset slot and hitting the save icon (looks like a floppy disk). Close out of the window.
6. At the top-right of SONAR, set Controller/Surface = Cakewalk Generic Surface.
7. Load .wav file into an audio track.
8. Press Play on MPD26.
2013/10/28 19:06:10
LunaTech
Hi John,
 
Not sure what happened there but I set up another controller when giving you those instructions. When you are in the control surface configuration area check to see that when you select play or any of the global settings to the left of the SysX Trigger area, There is a SysX Trigger button that should also be blue ( The reason I said a solid color is that other could have chosen a windows scheme other than default which could change the fill color, so I said a solid color to catch all).  The step at that point was to push play on the MPD and then push learn this should put a value in the section.
 
You could try pushing the play button again and then learn to see if it triggers. My other suggestion at this point would be to push play on the MPD. Select edit- push enter (the screen should say transport)- rotate the knob to say MMC/MIDI- push enter (push the button down) - and then push preset to exit the edit function. This will put the MPD to receive midi machine control and midi messages.
 
Repeat the steps to program the transport and let us know.
2013/10/29 17:03:23
johnchaf
NOTE TO LunaTech
Initial success! The transport buttons on MPD26 now work. I have recreated the instructions (so far) so that anyone else can easily follow along. I will say, though, that I don't understand how/why the instructions (shown below) for "PREPARE MPD26 FOR PROGRAMMING" were necessary. Oh well, let's move on. Thank you so far.
 
CREATE A NEW CONTROL SURFACE
(0a) On Sonar, Edit > Preferences > MIDI > Control Surfaces > click yellow "+". This displays the dialog for a new control surface.
(0b) On Sonar, select Cakewalk Generic Surface.
(0c) On Sonar, set In Port = Akai MPD26, set Out Port = None.
(0d) On Sonar, click OK. The new controller now appears in the list of Controllers/Surfaces.
(0e) On Sonar, click Apply.
(0f) On Sonar, click Close.
PREPARE SONAR AND MPD26
(1a) On Sonar, open a project with a simple audio track with a .wav file.
(1b) On Sonar, select Controller/Surface > Cakewalk Generic Surface.
(1c) On Sonar, click Controller/Surface Properties. This displays the controller Properties dialog with the Learn button.
(1d) On MPD26, connect a USB cable to MPD26 and computer running SONAR.
(1e) On MPD26, rotate knob to Sonar and push "Push to Enter" knob.
PREPARE MPD26 FOR PROGRAMMING
(2a) On MPD26, push Play button.
(2b) On MPD26, push Edit button. The screen displays "TRANSPORT". Push "Push to Enter" knob. (2c) On MPD26, rotate "Push to Enter" knob to MMC/MIDI. Push "Push to Enter" knob.
(2e) On MPD26, push Preset. This exits the edit function. Notice that the screen displays "Sonar".
PROGRAM TRANSPORT CONTROL: PLAY
(3a) On Sonar, click Global Parameters > Play.
(3b) On MPD26, push Play button.
(3c) On Sonar, click Learn. Notice that SysX Trigger is now selected and Trigger Message has a Hex value (for example, F07F7F0602F7).
PROGRAM TRANSPORT CONTROL: STOP
(4a) On Sonar, click Global Parameters > Stop.
(4b) On MPD26, push Stop button.
(4c) On Sonar, click Learn. Notice that SysX Trigger is now selected and Trigger Message has a Hex value (for example, F07F7F0601F7).
PROGRAM TRANSPORT CONTROL: FORWARD
(5a) On Sonar, click Global Parameters > Forward.
(5b) On MPD26, push Forward button.
(5c) On Sonar, click Learn. Notice that SysX Trigger is now selected and Trigger Message has a Hex value (for example, F07F7F0604F7).
PROGRAM TRANSPORT CONTROL: REWIND
(6a) On Sonar, click Global Parameters > Rewind.
(6b) On MPD26, push Rewind button.
(6c) On Sonar, click Learn. Notice that SysX Trigger is now selected and Trigger Message has a Hex value (for example, F07F7F0605F7).
PROGRAM TRANSPORT CONTROL: RECORD
(7a) On Sonar, click Global Parameters > Record.
(7b) On MPD26, push Record button.
(7c) On Sonar, click Learn. Notice that SysX Trigger is now selected and Trigger Message has a Hex value (for example, F07F7F0606F7).
(8) On Sonar, save the preset by typing "MPD26" in the preset slot and click "Save".
(9) On Sonar, close the Cakewalk Generic Surface dialog.
(10) On MPD26, push Play. The track with the wave file should begin playing.
2013/10/29 22:08:29
LunaTech
Cool John,
 
For the Faders and Sliders (in this instance using the 6 faders to control  the first 6 tracks and using the rotaries to control in this instance the first 6 pans of the first 6 tracks this is what you can do.
 
1. Go to edit - preferences - midi  - control surfaces
2. Select the "+" to create a new surface this time using the "ACT" Midi Controller type instead of the "Cakewalk Generic"
3. Select the MPD 26 as the input and none as the output
4. Choose apply and close.
5. Go to Utilities and choose the newly created ACT Midi Controller
6. Select the Akai MPK 49 preset
7. Select the S1 section in the Act Controller (the dialogue will say "midi learn"
8. Turn the Slider/Fader 1 on the MPD 26. (you should see the fader move in Sonar)
9. Repeat step 8 to program the rest of the faders  for volume and rotaries for Panning.
10. You can save this as a new preset... (Akai MPD 26)
 
I hope this gives you a basic foundation. Let us know how it turns out.
2013/10/30 15:09:36
johnchaf
Successful Progress!
First, I connected the MPD26 and left it set to "Live" (I did not select "Sonar"). [you didn't say...]
In Sonar, after selecting "Akai MPK 49" preset (mine actually says "Akai MPK 49 (Preset 30)", clicking on the green part of the S1 section in the Act Controller correctly shows  "midi learn".
For each S1 thru S6, I moved the appropriate fader and in each case that seemed to provide the "midi learn" message.
Now each Akai MPD26 fader moves the assigned Sonar fader, and each Akai MPD26 rotary knob moves the assigned Sonar Pan. 
NOTE: When I slide a fader on the Akai MPD26, the Sonar fader moves immediately and correctly. However, prior to actually getting that immediate movement consistently, it was necessary to move the physical Akai MPD26 fader thru it's complete range of motion. (I may have also done this with the rotary knobs.) This is odd, but certainly not a show stopper.
QUESTION #1: Is it correct to leave the Akai MPD26 as "Live"?
QUESTION #2: What now, Kemo Sabe?
2013/10/30 23:01:02
LunaTech
Hi John,
 
Glad that we are moving along.
QUESTION #1: Is it correct to leave the Akai MPD26 as "Live"? I generally keep mine at Sonar as I think Live is referring to an Ableton preset I believe.
QUESTION #2: What now, Kemo Sabe? I would get into programming the pads.  The simple way is to figure out the what mdi note each instrument represents and then keying the pad you want to that note.  On this site there are more advance drum mapping techniques that can be applied to do much the same thing also with greater efficiency.
 
In addition to looking/asking hear for information on that the controller can also using the sliders and rotaries to control synth functions. Of particular interest is sampling synths that can then be used mpc styile with the mpd programming the pads to trigger samples. I have not went that far. I only use it for triggering drums at this time.  But hey we can learn together. Time to explore and come back with more questions.
2014/04/13 12:35:20
dubdisciple
Since there are a number of Geist owners here I thought I would post this hardware controller map for MPD26 and Geist:
http://www.fxpansion.com/forum/download.php?id=2004
 
"Pad Bank A - Channel 9, pads
Pad Bank B - Channel 9, patterns (first 16)
Pad Bank C/D - Channel 11, scenes (first 16 scenes in pad bank C, & pad bank D starts from C1)

its Preset one in the attached bank,

you should be able to write it to any preset number you want on your MPD26"
 
Have not quite figured out how to use it but I figure a more experienced MPD26 user might
 
 
 
 
 
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