When I worked in the studios using tape, I rarely used vari-pitch....and if so, it was to match up to an instrument not easily tuned. But it was not like people were lugging in their own personal pianos either.  I guess I'm really missing the value of that feature nowadays.  Although I welcome all tools, it's like I've recorded for the last 20 years, since leaving analog, not really using it.
I get the impression some people are just totally lost without it.  It's almost in the "reverse reverb" camp for me.

I'd LOVE to hear why the lack of vari-speed become a showstopper in some projects.

Hey Ben, chill out man.  Craig was only trying to be helpful.  Can't you see that just because his solutions don't match your idea of a solution, it doesn't stop it being a solution?  I certainly learned of some uses for Dimension Pro that I'd never considered before.
 
I don't know you from a bar of soap, but you're coming across as a fully inflated ego-maniac with poor people skills and academic tunnel vision, which kinda runs against my experience of this (mainly) friendly and helpful forum.  And having a higher degree myself, you're giving that whole educational process a bad name by implying that it somehow makes you more enlightened than anyone else.
 
But that's just how I'm seeing it.  You can blow me up with Gustav Metzager if it makes you feel better.

mixmkr
When I worked in the studios using tape, I rarely used vari-pitch....and if so, it was to match up to an instrument not easily tuned. But it was not like people were lugging in their own personal pianos either.  I guess I'm really missing the value of that feature nowadays.  Although I welcome all tools, it's like I've recorded for the last 20 years, since leaving analog, not really using it.
I get the impression some people are just totally lost without it.  It's almost in the "reverse reverb" camp for me.

I'd LOVE to hear why the lack of vari-speed become a showstopper in some projects.

It's not about being a showstopper, its about having a very useful tool within your sonic arsenal.  For instance, struggling with hitting the notes in a particular song as you sing, rather than reach for auto-tune afterwards, just re-pitch the track for your singer before they sing.  It's a different texture than auto-tune.  A lot of Beatles tracks used this idea to great effect.  Strawberry Fields used it to glue two different takes together when they were in different keys and pitch.
 
For me it's the creative possibilities it offers. that's all.  No digital technique replaces it, unless you call Craig's workaround it's equivalent.  And it's because you can't do a Strawberry Fields edit using the workaround.  And I'm not 100% sure but the Izotope algorithms aren't up to scratch either, they add digital artefacts to the source material.  Something that I haven't heard in Reaper. 
 
Ben

OBHave
Hey Ben, chill out man.  Craig was only trying to be helpful.  Can't you see that just because his solutions don't match your idea of a solution, it doesn't stop it being a solution?  I certainly learned of some uses for Dimension Pro that I'd never considered before.
 
I don't know you from a bar of soap, but you're coming across as a fully inflated ego-maniac with poor people skills and academic tunnel vision, which kinda runs against my experience of this (mainly) friendly and helpful forum.  And having a higher degree myself, you're giving that whole educational process a bad name by implying that it somehow makes you more enlightened than anyone else.
 
But that's just how I'm seeing it.  You can blow me up with Gustav Metzager if it makes you feel better.

I've got Asperger's mate, so it's who I am!! 
 
Ben

Ben, I think a form of psychosis, not autism spectrum disorder is your issue. Get some treatment please.

BenMMusTech
You say I hijacked this thread, you hijacked mine with this thread (and again your work around is not what we asked for!).

 
Your thread was titled "Vari-Speed - Why Not?" It was a QUESTION, so I provided my answer as to why not: because you can already do most varispeed functions within Sonar, and to back that up, I told how to do those functions. But first, I had to know how people wanted to use varispeed, because you mentioned only one niche application, which was not particularly helpful. Answering a question posed in a thread is not hijacking it. Once I had a handle on what people wanted, I then had the courtesy to start a DIFFERENT thread since I had gone past answering your question and was actually going to do something constructive and practical that related to my answer.
 
And since you still don't get the point, regardless of whether my workarounds are what YOU asked for, they most definitely provided solutions for what other people asked for. Sollipsism much?
 

Yes I know there is a feature request form but here we are talking about it, not writing out a form where it will be filed in the never, never and the way off land of maybe.

 
And where did all the changes and fixes in the FIVE updates that have been released since Sonar's introduction come from? From the Bakers reading the bug report and feature request forms. I really don't know why you choose to make uneducated and negative guesses that you also choose to present as fact, but I'm beginning to realize it's your style.
 
People file feature requests for a reason. If enough people file for a particular request, and it's doable, it gets done. Read the bug fix and enhancements lists. Compare and contrast to the people in the forums who said they had filed a bug report or feature request. You'll learn something.
 

And I never called everyone on this forum a fool, lets just clear that up.  That is slander, hyperbole and just not true.  I called everyone who went yea thank you Craig for what you offered as a "solution" a fool lol!!

 
Allow me to refresh your memory: "I've upgraded to X3 and personally I'm somewhat disappointed. X2 was worth the update the console emulators were worth my bucks but the tape sim is not brilliant it's alright but not brilliant I suspect it's the same code from the original tape sim plug with some fancy new clothes. The Nomad stuff is not good it's just pretty wallpaper. I've heard and used the UAD Pultec and now had a listen to the Nomad one. The UAD one gives a small bump at 100 hz when you place it over the program material and the Nomad one does not. I know which one I prefer.

I keep quiet these days let the fools eat their dry bread thinking it is "Cake" I say! I know I should have stuck with X2 and spent my 99 bucks on the Waves reel ADT which would have been more useful for my uni work than anything in X3."
 
And where is the reference to people thanking me for offering solutions who you are calling fools? Please point it out.
 
Oh, and I realize you like to make up your own definitions for words and your own "facts" so you can justify your opinions, but you were never slandered. Slander is spoken, libel is written. And in light of the above quote, your accusing me of slander is technically libelous.
 

It has been again, clear what you offered as a "solution" people like myself already knew existed.

 
And don't think I don't appreciate your willingness to share your vast knowledge and practical tips! I particularly liked your post in the other thread where you said "Until Sonar implements varispeed, I have some techniques that will let you do artifact-free tape speed variations by using the Loop Construction window in a way that doesn't involve making Groove Clips! In fact, here's how to do this, as well as how to get those cool ABBA varispeed vocal effects. And if you don't have Reaper, you can do some cool things by bringing files into Dimension Pro and warping them over a 96 semitone range! Or even do Alvin and the Chipmunk imitations! That should hold you over until Cakewalk comes to their senses and implements my big important shiny red knob!" And I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates your constructive, solutions-oriented approach and sharing of knowledge.
 

Steve, there is many types of effective politician, I'm happy to play the fool!!  At least we are talking about it, and we haven't blithely accepted Craig's musings.

 
We aren't talking about it, it's you complaining about how YOU didn't get what YOU wanted, interspersed with me presenting tips, people thanking me for them, and others like Jeff offering their own tips in a spirit of being constructive and supporting the community. Never mind that other people got what they wanted - which in case you've forgotten, was how to implement a variety of functions normally associated with tape varispeed control.
 
It's also clear don't know what the word "musings" means. Giving people step-by-step instructions does not involve "musings." Look it up.
 
Did it ever occur to you that maybe there's a reason why people are courteous enough to thank me for essentially giving up my weekend to help give them something they want? It's not "religion." It's called being polite - a quality shared by many of the people who frequent this forum. But certainly not all.

BenMMusTech
And it's because you can't do a Strawberry Fields edit using the workaround.  And I'm not 100% sure but the Izotope algorithms aren't up to scratch either, they add digital artefacts to the source material.  Something that I haven't heard in Reaper. 
 
Ben

I wasn't going to say anything more, but I as you say I have certain responsibiities, and one is to prevent the spread of misinformation.
 
The use I make of the loop construction window has NOTHING TO DO with creating loops. You've referred to groove clips and making loops several times, it's not about that at all. Why do you think I specify making sure there are NO loop markers present? Or did you already decide you knew all about it even without reading it?
 
You can do a Strawberry fields edit using the techniques I described.
 
iZotope's algorithms having NOTHING TO DO with tape varispeed. With tape varispeed, pitch and duration are interdependent. With iZotope's stretch algorithms, pitch and duration are INDEPENDENT. Complaining that their algorithms don't cut it because they can't do tape varispeed effects is as meaningless as saying tape varispeed is worthless because it can't separate pitch from time (which is far easier to do than the challenge iZotope faces with what they do).

mudgel
Ben, I think a form of psychosis, not autism spectrum disorder is your issue. Get some treatment please.

In all fairness your not a shrink I have aspergers if understood the condition u wouldn't be so disparaging. It's diagnosed.

I'm at a workshop. Now better things to do.

Ben.

Craig, even now you remain dignified. Your maturity and composure really are assets to our community. Would, I had you patience, but alas.

Thanks again for the things you do for us as expressions of the joy you put out into the world. You really are a positive guy.

I can see Ben's point clearly enough, I think it's fair. I don't know the range of uses this effects produces, but a lot of posters seemed keen, and expressed it was quite common on other apps. It seems to be a classic effect/tool, and Sonar has always tried to emulate the past, see tape sims, console emulators etc, so it seems a a reasonable request. Improved work flow has been a part of Sonar's development too, so a simple knob or button seems as streamlined as you can get.
 
Craig is the administrator for this Cakewalk forum, he creates products for Cakewalk products that are sold by cakewalk, he works for the parent company, he has access to company confidential information, which he even you could say 'teases' us with.

Anderton
 I think when I'm done with these they'll take care of what most people need, so then the Bakers can concentrate on the other features planned for future versions. I think if people knew what those features were, they'd say "I can cope with Craig's solutions for varispeed...forget about the varispeed, now get back to working on those other features!!"

     
So is Craig another user, or are those lines a lot more blurred?
 
Those other feature may be exiting to Craig, but if they are not to Ben, then Varispeed is, and it's valid for him to say so.
 
I don't know how hard VariSpeed  is too implement, not a foggiest, or if it's even possible with the way the audio engine has been set up. It does seem Cakewalks position to communicate, and to me it looks a lot like Craig is defending with them. With the blurred lines, I can see why Ben is upset, and questioning Craig's agenda. Creating this thread has bumped the other, and diverted discussion from 'who wants it?'.