BenMMusTech
It's still not a solution, I'm not 100% sure but whenever I have done widespread pitch and time alteration using the isotope algorithms they have always added unwanted artefacts. Yes as I have already reported this can be used as a new sonic effect, and I have but it is not something that I want all the time.

 
I'm afraid the problem is that you simply do not understand the techniques I've presented. This is obvious because you seem to think the pitch shifting is done with the iZotope algorithms. THEY DO NOT DO THE PITCH SHIFTING. ALL the pitch shifting done for the true tape varispeed effects (i.e., interdependent pitch and duration) use the ENGINE in the loop construction window, which IS NOT USED to create any kind of groove clip. The iZotope algorithms are used in some places to BOUNCE TO CLIP. This is NOT a function that transposes audio.
 
Please read that multiple times until you understand it so you can avoid arguing a point that has no relevance. It's like saying these techniques don't work because they use MIDI data (they don't).
 

Your solution will still not allow me to do a Strawberry Fields type edit, so they are limited in their use and appeal.

 
You can't do a Strawberry Fields edit with these techniques because you haven't tried them and don't understand them. I can do a Strawberry Fields edit because I HAVE tried them and DO understand them.
 

And the more one doth protests, that I am not trying to distract, the more it looks like you are!!

 
I was more than prepared to leave this thread alone after realizing you are disingenuous. But, you're the one who said that my "great power" brings "great responsibilities." One of those is correcting misinformation presented in this forum. As long as you continue being a source of misinformation, I will have to correct you as you are not capable of correcting yourself (e.g., you ignored my request to point out where you restricted your calling the people here fools solely to those who appreciated my work).
 

And finally I have Asperger's (although its ASD now), I'm happy to report, I may not have much empathy or "social" skills but what I lack in these areas I have other skills that make up for the lack of the former.

 
I'm am sorry to hear of your condition. I would not have been so relentless in exposing your BS had I known that. I looked it up and saw that it is characterized by "significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal comunication, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests." So that explains a lot, and I apologize that what I thought was a significant personality defect was in fact due to a medical condition. I thought I was simply dealing with a high-level academic who was also a politician, as you claimed. I now realize that was not the case, I now have a better understanding why you behave the way you do, and accept that is who you are. I hope your condition improves, and I do appreciate your general support of Sonar.

Thanks for that last one Craig. I was thinking one could do a Strawberry Fields type process with your suggestions/tutorial on the benefits of Dim Pro, and you've confirmed, that. You also confirm that you are a very decent human being!
I hope Ben gets help, too, and I hope Craig doesn't have to waste his time on petty bickering, and is free to help me and anyone else, who wants to get to be a better Sonar power user, just as he has contributed to my music technology acumen for so long.
Onward and upward, Junior Birdmen! LOL
Michael

pentimentosound
Thanks for that last one Craig. I was thinking one could do a Strawberry Fields type process with your suggestions/tutorial on the benefits of Dim Pro, and you've confirmed that.

You can also do it with the Loop Construction window techniques, which may be easier for "precision" edits.

Anderton

BenMMusTech
 
And finally I have Asperger's (although its ASD now), I'm happy to report, I may not have much empathy or "social" skills but what I lack in these areas I have other skills that make up for the lack of the former.

 
 I looked it up and saw that it is characterized by "significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal comunication, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests." So that explains a lot,
 
 
....and I do appreciate your general support of Sonar.

Here's my take on this:
 
I thought Ben had a good idea and stated so.
 
Craig gave me solutions to the get ideas I have in my head recorded.
 
Argument is the inevitable outcome when problem solving. Ben had a "problem". Craig tried to solve it. Craig believes he solved it (as others and I also believe). Ben doesn't think so.
 
Ben and Craig are working on this together! :)
 
Hope they can shake hands at the end of it!!
 
PS: I looked it up also. I may have a slight case of it too. If you ask my wife and co-workers, they would probably diagnose me with it for sure.

Asperger's (or A.S.D. as it is now labelled) tends to present as "a fundamental lack of social reciprocity".
 
I am not sure if that is the only character trait I see here.
 
I would be interested to hear your Supervisor/ Tutor's opinion on this thread, Ben.  Did you ask him/her?
 
@ Craig - thanks for all your work on this.  I particularly like your use of Dim Pro, which has set me off experimenting with other potential uses of Dim Pro.  It's great, so thanks again.

I tried to wade thru all of the posts on this thread... so I may have missed the party here...
 
But do any of these "vari-speed" tips also "preserver pitch" ala the capability in REAPER?

Like jb101, I have grabbed my Simon Cann -Cakewalk Synthesizers book to reread the Dim Pro chapter!
I, also feel "reminded" just how deep and wonderful my X3ePE, Rapture, Z3ta2, and Dim Pro (and everything else that is (has been included) with Sonar over the past 14 years, I've used it. I appreciate what is there and that it does much more than I might get around to trying/using.
   So, this seems a great place/time to thank all the people who have or do work for or with Cakewalk, so that I get to enjoy such marvelous tools. I love that all of these tools have been realized over the course of the 51 years of my musical life! How absolutely cool!
Michael
 
 
 

Thank you for tips, Craig: I'd forgotten the power of Dim Pro and Rapture! And your timely post just saved me loads of grief for a couple of sounds I need to create.

cityrat
I tried to wade thru all of the posts on this thread... so I may have missed the party here...
 
But do any of these "vari-speed" tips also "preserver pitch" ala the capability in REAPER?

By definition, tape varispeed preserves neither pitch nor duration. As a result, there are few quality constraints because data does not need to be created or removed; it simply needs to be shortened or lengthened.
 
DSP algorithms, such as those from iZotope and zplane, can separate pitch and duration. However, it is a far more difficult task to change one without changing the other. Doing so creates artifacts, with the severity of the artifacts related directly to the amount of pitch and/or duration change. With reasonable transpositions or speed changes, you will likely not hear any artifacts.
 
Sonar can do both. The engine in the Loop Construction window, if not used to create groove clips, can do tape-style varispeed as described in this thread.
 
The iZotope DSP algorithms can alter pitch in semitone increments (via the Process > Transpose menu) and time up to 400% (ctrl-drag on the right-most clip edge and drag right to lengthen, left to shorten). Upon doing either one, Sonar uses a low-quality, real-time preview mode that lets you hear the results but the sound will likely include artifacts. Bouncing a clip to itself uses iZotope's offline rendering algorithm, which produces higher quality due to the greater precision of the calculations. However, these calculations require significant CPU power, and therefore cannot be done in real time.

Grem
 
Hope they can shake hands at the end of it!!

I am always in favor of shaking hands, although it's more difficult if someone won't extend a hand to shake.