• SONAR
  • Video editing in X3 (p.3)
2014/04/03 21:34:05
Scoot
I wonder if an ARA style connection could be made with a 3rd party video software developer could be created in future versions.  Highlight a range of video and pop out the video editor.
2014/04/04 05:21:58
markyzno
Sigh, I sooooooooooo wish Sonar would sort out its OMF issues.

Just started a new feature and all the OMFs from the editor didnt work in Sonar but worked fine in PT.
 

2014/04/04 13:23:21
jscomposer
LOL! Glad I'm not alone!
2014/04/04 13:41:52
Kalle Rantaaho
Scoot
I wonder if an ARA style connection could be made with a 3rd party video software developer could be created in future versions.  Highlight a range of video and pop out the video editor.




That would be it, absolutely!
2014/04/08 10:21:34
Marcus Curtis
I for one am no longer a fan of Sony Vegas. I have Sony Vegas and Sound Forge. I used them on videos all the time. I use to export an avi format and then import that video into Sonar. Then I worked on the audio track. Once the audio is complete I export the audio from Sonar and import that back into Sony Vegas. From there I export the video into what ever format I choose.
 
The problem is the avi format is huge. I just shot a new video series that would be 92 gigs of footage in avi. but it is under a gig in mp4 format. I am glad that Sonar has expanded the format options in one of their updates to X3. This makes things a lot easier.
 
The problem I have is sometimes I get a green tint to the video in Vegas. This is in the mp4 and mov formats. The problem seems to be a conflict issue with Sony Vegas and Quicktime. I was able to isolate the issue only to discover that the problem is only in Sony Vegas.
 
I say all of this because if your looking for a third part solution to video while working with Sonar you might want to consider your options. Before you spend your hard earned money on a third party video program you should look to see what else is out there.
 
Just Yesterday I purchased Adobe Premier. I ran a test and found out that all the video that will not work right inside Sony Vegas works flawlessly in premier. Adobe just changed it's business model to a subscription based software model.
 
Instead of shelling out expensive hard earned money for Vegas you can get the full version of everything adobe makes including adobe premier for just 50 bucks. When you activate your account you also get connected with your own ULR. You also get things like Photoshop and Adobe Elements which gives you the ability to animate graphics in your video.
 
I can already tell from just the little work I have done with Adobe Premier that it is an awesome program. I personally like it better than Sony Vegas and 50 bucks is a lot cheaper then the 499.00 for the full Vegas suite.
 
For my situation adobe Premier and elements are now my favorite applications for video. Sonar X3 remains my favorite application for audio. I will probably use a combination of these too products when I produce videos in the future.
2014/04/08 12:39:00
dubdisciple
Marcus Curtis
I for one am no longer a fan of Sony Vegas. I have Sony Vegas and Sound Forge. I used them on videos all the time. I use to export an avi format and then import that video into Sonar. Then I worked on the audio track. Once the audio is complete I export the audio from Sonar and import that back into Sony Vegas. From there I export the video into what ever format I choose.
 
The problem is the avi format is huge. I just shot a new video series that would be 92 gigs of footage in avi. but it is under a gig in mp4 format. I am glad that Sonar has expanded the format options in one of their updates to X3. This makes things a lot easier.
 
The problem I have is sometimes I get a green tint to the video in Vegas. This is in the mp4 and mov formats. The problem seems to be a conflict issue with Sony Vegas and Quicktime. I was able to isolate the issue only to discover that the problem is only in Sony Vegas.
 
I say all of this because if your looking for a third part solution to video while working with Sonar you might want to consider your options. Before you spend your hard earned money on a third party video program you should look to see what else is out there.
 
Just Yesterday I purchased Adobe Premier. I ran a test and found out that all the video that will not work right inside Sony Vegas works flawlessly in premier. Adobe just changed it's business model to a subscription based software model.
 
Instead of shelling out expensive hard earned money for Vegas you can get the full version of everything adobe makes including adobe premier for just 50 bucks. When you activate your account you also get connected with your own ULR. You also get things like Photoshop and Adobe Elements which gives you the ability to animate graphics in your video.
 
I can already tell from just the little work I have done with Adobe Premier that it is an awesome program. I personally like it better than Sony Vegas and 50 bucks is a lot cheaper then the 499.00 for the full Vegas suite.
 
For my situation adobe Premier and elements are now my favorite applications for video. Sonar X3 remains my favorite application for audio. I will probably use a combination of these too products when I produce videos in the future.


Oops..hit the helpful button instead of the quote.  I think the jury is still out on whether the Adobe cloud model is an improvement or not. No doubt it saves money short term, but longterm the savings only come if you are a person who regularly uses most of their programs AND grabs EVERY upgrade.  Adobe , like many software companies occasionally releases upgrades that one may find completely useless.   I use Adobe cloud and have mixed results.  Every now and then it glitches on the monthly authorization and I am a few others have been without use of software at critical moments.  That scenario rarely happens but once is too many IMHO.  As a person who has used both Vegas and Adobe Premiere extensively I know the advantages and disadvantages of each well. Vegas, for the beginner, is much easier to use.  Once you get beyond beginner phase it becomes a draw since "ease of use" with most programs comes down to familiarity. As far as features, the Adobe Suite totally kills Vegas in terms of raw power. After Effects adds far more compositing and motion graphic capability than anything Vegas can offer.  Some of that difference is reduced via third party apps, but the same ones are available to Adobe users and then some.
 
Comparing $49 to $499 is not quite fair because after a year if you decide you no longer wish to pay, you have NOTHING.  Your program ceases to work and you don't even have the version you have been using to work with.  Vegas will likely work until the OS you are using becomes obsolete.  You are comparing the rental price to buying.  Again, this model works to your advantage if you are the kind to never skip upgrades.  Before the cloud model, Adobe was already making it harder to skip upgrades by punishing users who did in the form of severely reduced savings compared to other products.  When Macromedia was acquired they completely trashed their upgrade policy .  It cost me a lot of money since I skipped a couple of upgrades based on Macromedia's more user friendly upgrade model.
 
Anyway, obviously I am using Adobe over Vegas but it is with caution. Adobe's integration helps sell it along with more third party compatibility.
2014/04/08 13:26:53
mettelus
Woot! That makes me feel better for learning Premiere Pro (which I already own) over buy something else.
 
FWIW, I am not a fan of Adobe's "Creative Cloud" (CC) either, but copies of OEM (Other Equipment Manufacturer) versions for CS6 (or even earlier) are still available. These are the copies "preloaded" on to systems at purchase (bought in bulk by companies at discount), and are typically 1/4 the price (or even less) and full copies of the software. I believe the only restriction is that they do not qualify you for upgrade pricing (from Adobe); but with CC now, that is a moot point anyway. Even sub-programs of the Creative Suite (like Audition) can be bought this way for those interested.
2014/04/08 14:05:59
dubdisciple
Anyone who can get their hands on CS6 suite, it's a good idea. Almost all plugins work with CS6.  The apps in CC are improved but it does give you a viable option in case you find yourself feeling silly paying $49/month. 
2014/04/08 21:51:15
Marcus Curtis
dubdisciple
Marcus Curtis
I for one am no longer a fan of Sony Vegas. I have Sony Vegas and Sound Forge. I used them on videos all the time. I use to export an avi format and then import that video into Sonar. Then I worked on the audio track. Once the audio is complete I export the audio from Sonar and import that back into Sony Vegas. From there I export the video into what ever format I choose.
 
The problem is the avi format is huge. I just shot a new video series that would be 92 gigs of footage in avi. but it is under a gig in mp4 format. I am glad that Sonar has expanded the format options in one of their updates to X3. This makes things a lot easier.
 
The problem I have is sometimes I get a green tint to the video in Vegas. This is in the mp4 and mov formats. The problem seems to be a conflict issue with Sony Vegas and Quicktime. I was able to isolate the issue only to discover that the problem is only in Sony Vegas.
 
I say all of this because if your looking for a third part solution to video while working with Sonar you might want to consider your options. Before you spend your hard earned money on a third party video program you should look to see what else is out there.
 
Just Yesterday I purchased Adobe Premier. I ran a test and found out that all the video that will not work right inside Sony Vegas works flawlessly in premier. Adobe just changed it's business model to a subscription based software model.
 
Instead of shelling out expensive hard earned money for Vegas you can get the full version of everything adobe makes including adobe premier for just 50 bucks. When you activate your account you also get connected with your own ULR. You also get things like Photoshop and Adobe Elements which gives you the ability to animate graphics in your video.
 
I can already tell from just the little work I have done with Adobe Premier that it is an awesome program. I personally like it better than Sony Vegas and 50 bucks is a lot cheaper then the 499.00 for the full Vegas suite.
 
For my situation adobe Premier and elements are now my favorite applications for video. Sonar X3 remains my favorite application for audio. I will probably use a combination of these too products when I produce videos in the future.


Oops..hit the helpful button instead of the quote.  I think the jury is still out on whether the Adobe cloud model is an improvement or not. No doubt it saves money short term, but longterm the savings only come if you are a person who regularly uses most of their programs AND grabs EVERY upgrade.  Adobe , like many software companies occasionally releases upgrades that one may find completely useless.   I use Adobe cloud and have mixed results.  Every now and then it glitches on the monthly authorization and I am a few others have been without use of software at critical moments.  That scenario rarely happens but once is too many IMHO.  As a person who has used both Vegas and Adobe Premiere extensively I know the advantages and disadvantages of each well. Vegas, for the beginner, is much easier to use.  Once you get beyond beginner phase it becomes a draw since "ease of use" with most programs comes down to familiarity. As far as features, the Adobe Suite totally kills Vegas in terms of raw power. After Effects adds far more compositing and motion graphic capability than anything Vegas can offer.  Some of that difference is reduced via third party apps, but the same ones are available to Adobe users and then some.
 
Comparing $49 to $499 is not quite fair because after a year if you decide you no longer wish to pay, you have NOTHING.  Your program ceases to work and you don't even have the version you have been using to work with.  Vegas will likely work until the OS you are using becomes obsolete.  You are comparing the rental price to buying.  Again, this model works to your advantage if you are the kind to never skip upgrades.  Before the cloud model, Adobe was already making it harder to skip upgrades by punishing users who did in the form of severely reduced savings compared to other products.  When Macromedia was acquired they completely trashed their upgrade policy .  It cost me a lot of money since I skipped a couple of upgrades based on Macromedia's more user friendly upgrade model.
 
Anyway, obviously I am using Adobe over Vegas but it is with caution. Adobe's integration helps sell it along with more third party compatibility.


Dub i am so glad you posted your response. I purchased the subscription yesterday. I was told that I could be off line and still use the software. I was told that the fee was 49.00 a year. I was told that when the subscription expired the only drawback would be I could not update. I did not know I was renting the software!
 
Further investigation found all of this to be wrong and the sales person led me to believe that these things were true in order to make a sale. I got online with adobe and canceled my subscription. i was able to get a refund once I explained the situation. I was also able to purchase the basic version of adobe premier for 99.00
 
Your right, that was an unfair price match. If I left that unchecked it would be billing my credit card 50 bucks a month. Thank you for speaking up and saying something! The full version of premier is 700 bucks
 
I still have issues with Vegas pro 13 when playing videos with .mov and .mp4 extensions. So i guess It is either use premier or reshoot the 40 scenes I shot using other formats. This is aggravating.
 
I too wish that Sonar edited videos 
 
what a lesson to learn! 
2014/04/08 21:58:10
dubdisciple
Marcus..have you contacted Sony tech support about your issue? It seems like something that falls under codec or video card issue
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