• SONAR
  • MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually (p.2)
2014/04/09 02:27:54
Scoot
Ok I'm still stuck, I got the 3 midi plug ins, but they are VSTi files. There purpose is to process midi, so need them to show on a Midi Track FX bin. This is as far as I have got, what do I do next?

 
EDIT: just noticed the picture highlights 3 plug ins, including Minimoog, but should be 3 plugins including MidiChords
2014/04/09 09:04:58
scook
They are MIDI VSTs not MFX plug-ins. Insert them as a synth and route the MIDI controller like you would any synth. For example, to create a custom velocity curve, insert midiCurve as a synth, use the nanopad as the input. Make sure to enable MIDI output on midiCurve. Now midiCurve is available to adjust the velocity curve of incoming MIDI for another synth. Insert another synth, use midiCurve as the input.
2014/04/09 09:23:21
scook
Just a few more words about using midiCurve. Since midiCurve needs both the audio and MIDI tracks even though the audio track is not used, this may be a case for an instrument track. Also make sure both midiCurve and the synth using have echo enabled when auditioning and recording.
2014/04/09 09:47:03
robert_e_bone
Scoot
robert_e_bone
A fine question, sir.
 
For MY particular purposes, I just wanted to set all velocity values for an entire MIDI track to be some constant value, that was different from what had been set when the note events were first created, and I also did not want to convert the SS clips to regular clips.
 
So, I whipped up a simple (and stupid) CAL script to do just that, and it works just fine.  If anyone want the script, just send me a PM with an email address, and I will send it to you.
 
Bob Bone
 




Wouldn't Midi Plug ins> Cakewalk FX> Velocity> 'Set to', achieve this goal?
 


Well - where were YOU when I was not even looking at that as a potential solution?  :)
 
I hadn't even considered that - DOH!!!!
 
It actually only took me about a minute to create the CAL script I ended up using, so other than building something I didn't need, at least it wasn't a giant bunch of effort.
 
I have in all my time using Sonar and its predecessors, I have never used a single midi plugin - I always just do things to audio.  I guess I should at least take a look at them and see if any might be usable in future situations.
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/04/09 09:49:52
Scoot
Thanks Scook, I had tried inserting as a synth, but wasn't really believing that was what I was meant to do. I followed your instructions, but suspect it's this one I'm not getting right, and why the following isn't working.
 


2014/04/09 09:51:53
scook
Input echo needs to be enabled on the MIDI tracks for midiCurve and the synth it is driving.
2014/04/09 09:57:34
scook
Thanks for the large track images BTW, it made it easy to see the problem.
2014/04/09 10:09:04
Scoot
Got it, cheers. I hadn't seen you post #13 about the midi echo when I had posted my reply.
 
I never understand the reluctance of posters to post pics, when they show everything so clearly. The amount of times I have read posts regarding driver settings and everyone asking for more details. It's so easy to use the wrong term, especially if they are unfamiliar, pic just shows it.
 
Thanks again.
 
The graph on Midi curve is going to really help me improve the mod, I'm going to see if I can resolve at source, and the graphs helps see that much more easily.
 
 
2014/04/09 10:20:56
Scoot
robert_e_bone
 
I have in all my time using Sonar and its predecessors, I have never used a single midi plugin - I always just do things to audio.  I guess I should at least take a look at them and see if any might be usable in future situations.
 




 
I think these plug in were in Version 6, probably older, but I feel the are neglected. I've been using Cakewalk since '93, but my use has been sporadic. I never used 8.5 enough and now I'm getting to grips with X3, which is a delight, I'm so chuffed. I put in request years ago for more Midi FX. A good chord generator would work so well with things like Strum. I used to bodge it by using the MidiFX 'delay', with zero delay, and the delays set to 3rds, then route the results through the MidiFX 'Transpose' and constrained to a key signature, for modal style cords in both major and minor keys. 
 
I was excited about the Nanopad, because I read you could assign 8 notes to a pad, but it turns out it's 4 notes. Still cool though as I can get the flavour with each pad and flesh out performance in midi with some extra notes later.
 
I am suspecting the title of this thread relates to the fact MidiFX 'velocity' has been neglected, and Change Gradually worked offline on older versions of Sonar, but no longer now applies.
 
 
2014/04/09 10:34:02
scook
I believe Velocity works like it always has. It is still possible to use it offline and Change Gradually is enabled when the offline dialog is displayed.
 
I rarely use MFX plug-ins but did buy the NTONYX Style Enhancer Micro when it was ported to 64bit. Velocity and the MIDI Event Filter have solved a few issues encountered on the forum. Not many 3rd party MFX out there, even fewer that support 64bit. TenCrazy was the last I saw that ported 32bit MFX to 64bit.
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