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  • Why did Yamaha stop producing the NS10's? (p.3)
2012/02/09 19:37:34
AT
Klipsch and dip!
2012/02/12 08:26:17
Rimshot
I am still using NS10's but am thinking of adding a pair of Rockit 6's and then add a sub later.  There is really no bottom end to the NS10's.  

mixmker:  I used 4311's in the 70's and I think they were part of the reason for the constant ringing in my ears using them all day.  They were very popular in studios but man did they have directional high-end.  I kept those crossover knobs at about 10 o'clock most of the time. 

I did years of mixing on Auratones in my own studio, and at studios with Richard Perry, Bill Shnee, and others.  Those were times when mono mixes and AM radio compatibility were much more important than today.

Rimshot 
2012/02/12 13:31:04
Cactus Music
Well it become a requirement that if you pose for a picture in a audio magazine there better be a pair of NSM 10's in the background or you'll have no credibility at all.
2012/02/12 15:23:24
The Maillard Reaction
timidi


mike_mccue


I've been running a pair of old Auratones as window shakers for my patio.

They are hooked to a MOTU Traveler and Hafler power amp.

We only use the patio when the weather is nice. I open the window just enough to place speakers on the window sill.


The sound on the patio is striking and every now and then the house acts as a huge baffle and the bass response is alarmingly low... like a hidden sub harmonic from a kick or something that I have never heard on regular old big fella monitors..



Speakers give me the sizzzles.



best regards,
mike

I thought you liked Klipsch on the patio. guess not.....


Them too... but they are "on the market" if my wife has anything to do with it. They need a new home.

I like to mix it up.

I have a pair of Dynacos and another Hafler out there to.

Life is good.

:-)
2012/02/12 15:57:36
Rbh
Realistically... the only thing special about the NS-10's is that somebody special used them and talked about it. I've used them and I wasn't that impressed. The HS series are by far more efficient and have far better quality of output. Yamaha engineers and product guys probably have gone through this a hundred times and say " hey if you can't figure it out, too bad, we're moving on.
2012/02/12 16:16:51
Kalle Rantaaho
Rbh


Realistically... the only thing special about the NS-10's is that somebody special used them and talked about it. I've used them and I wasn't that impressed. The HS series are by far more efficient and have far better quality of output. Yamaha engineers and product guys probably have gone through this a hundred times and say " hey if you can't figure it out, too bad, we're moving on.


This is what I've understood as well.
The whole NS10 success is a hype. The way I remember reading the success story is they did not become popular because they're good speakers, but because they really are not. They're just a nice example of below mediocre home stereo speakers which represent(ed) the average  gear commercial recordings are listened with. Some big name(s) mentioned using them the rest is "history".
"If it sounds OK with these, it sounds OK anywhere". I'm conviced that goes with many, many ordinary home stereo speakers.

All the above said without never trying NS10s, I humbly admit.

2012/02/12 18:02:29
Gaffpro
I've had a pair of NS10M Studios since the 80's.......I've gone through several newer monitors like Alesis Monitor 1's (Roger Nichols turned me on to these many years ago)....I didn't like them......KRK Rockit 5....way too much bass......and now in conjunction with the Yamaha's I'm using the JBL LSR 2325 monitor, which I like.
I know the NS10's are shy in the bass but personally I think what's out there now (for a home studio budget) really over emphasizes the bass.....my NS10's are in new condition, thank God I've babied them
2012/02/12 18:54:38
ChuckC
Kalle Rantaaho


Rbh


Realistically... the only thing special about the NS-10's is that somebody special used them and talked about it. I've used them and I wasn't that impressed. The HS series are by far more efficient and have far better quality of output. Yamaha engineers and product guys probably have gone through this a hundred times and say " hey if you can't figure it out, too bad, we're moving on.


This is what I've understood as well.
The whole NS10 success is a hype. The way I remember reading the success story is they did not become popular because they're good speakers, but because they really are not. They're just a nice example of below mediocre home stereo speakers which represent(ed) the average  gear commercial recordings are listened with. Some big name(s) mentioned using them the rest is "history".
"If it sounds OK with these, it sounds OK anywhere". I'm conviced that goes with many, many ordinary home stereo speakers.

All the above said without never trying NS10s, I humbly admit.

I've read that too and it makes me wonder then.... why spend any serious money on monitors at all?   Why not just grab your home stereo speakers and have at it then?
 
2012/02/12 19:02:54
ChuckC
Gaffpro


I've had a pair of NS10M Studios since the 80's.......I've gone through several newer monitors like Alesis Monitor 1's (Roger Nichols turned me on to these many years ago)....I didn't like them......KRK Rockit 5....way too much bass......and now in conjunction with the Yamaha's I'm using the JBL LSR 2325 monitor, which I like.
I know the NS10's are shy in the bass but personally I think what's out there now (for a home studio budget) really over emphasizes the bass.....my NS10's are in new condition, thank God I've babied them


I agree, I have the 1st generation rokit 5's now and the low end is hyped.    I think the point of studio monitors is to clearly represent the music and give you the same information (sounds) that "most" consumers will get.   I want monitors to be clear, consistant with no hyped frequencies and no missing frequencies.... is it that hard?  If the NS10's did that then they were a good monitor.  I have never used them but if so many people that stake their livelyhoods on their production trusted what they got from them then I gotta think there was something there?     I have made the statement before that once I run out to my truck enough times and get it to sound good there it translates nearly everywhere... so why shouldn't I sell my monitors and get a laptop so I can go mix in the truck? 
2012/02/12 20:17:01
digitalboy
I hate Yamaha NS10's with a passion...
 
I think that they sound really awful and words can't truly describe how just how bad they sound  
 
You had to wind them up to get any sort of decent "sound" out of them and then the tweeters would blow...
 
I used to mix in one place and the NS10's always "had to go"...I didn't even want to see them !
 
The studio owner tried to tell me that they were the industry standard and I told him that didn't make any difference to me...
 
I still thought that they were rubbish and I didn't want to hear one note through them...
 
Even the Auratones were better !

I built my own speakers using Scan Speak drivers and the best components I could source...

Twin 8" subs that go down to 12.5 Htz,with real definition in the mid-range and top end that is "smooth" all the way up to the stratosphere...

I also built the amps with the lowest component count and the highest quality parts...

It is a real joy to listen to music that has been well recorded though this system - at any dB level...
 


 
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