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  • Why did Yamaha stop producing the NS10's? (p.4)
2012/02/12 20:55:02
Rbh
I think part of the story is that Ns-10 are bass shy.... so you over compensate and mix a bass heavy track. Well mixing bass heavy became very popular. There in lies the hype - you make half decent sounding on them and you have a thumpin ass track. Conversely, you mix on a bass heavy monitor and when it translates to other systems - it sounds whimpy....hmmm must be the monitors fault. It usually comes down to knowing your room system and monitors over a long period of time.
2012/02/12 22:44:00
digitalboy
"I think part of the story is that Ns-10 are bass shy.... "

The real problem for me is that the NS-10's are "tone shy" - completely toneless 

I can't think of a single redeeming quality that they might have....

What's the point in trying to mix on some speakers where so much of the audio information is going to be completely lost in the process ?

Yamaha would be doing us all a big favour if they recalled every single NS-10 and destroyed the lot  

2012/02/13 02:29:47
Gaffpro
Digitalboy: I'd love to hear your monitors....sounds like you took the bull by the horns...good for you...do you have a mixed song that you could put up?

Another reason I remember having to get NS10's in the 80's is that every commercial studio had them.....compatibility.....kind of like why you need Pro Tools if you go back and forth from home to a commercial facility, lol

If you listen to Natalie Cole's Unforgettable CD (don't remember the exact cd title)....all of the tunes were mixed through NS10's......but then again David Foster was in the room

Has anyone tried Dynaudio's? They are used at the Nashville facility (in the avatar photo)....I really liked them, but then again the chief engineer is stellar.....listen to any Jason Aldean cut.....fat sounding as all get out

I just want something where everything is flat, particularly not bass heavy monitors......ironically with the NS10's I never mixed bass heavy to compensate, I guess I just got used to them
2012/02/13 03:41:20
Brandon Ryan [Roland]
Gaffpro


Has anyone tried Dynaudio's? They are used at the Nashville facility (in the avatar photo)....I really liked them, but then again the chief engineer is stellar.....listen to any Jason Aldean cut.....fat sounding as all get out

I really love Dynaudio monitors - always have. There's just something about them...

Someday maybe I'll get a pair.
2012/02/13 15:35:36
Cactus Music
In defense of the NSM10, They will say you either love em or hate them, so leave it at that.

They sound pretty sad as a home stereo set ( I tried them) but all I can say is if you learn to trust them your mix WILL translate on to MORE other systems than most monitors that are out there. If you look closely at pictures of every major studio taken over the last 2 decades there they are sitting on the meter bridge.  Never alone, other much better monitors are also present. Lets just say that they were a tool that worked, and worked well for the majority of engineers.

 It was never a scam or a hype, only hobbyist fall for that kind of behavior. This is why they are a anonymity and always start a lively conversation. Hate em or love em, they will be missed by many.

PS, Bass is easy to add to playback via sub, or most any other monitor.  
2012/02/13 15:59:02
Dave King
Well it become a requirement that if you pose for a picture in a audio magazine there better be a pair of NSM 10's in the background or you'll have no credibility at all.

 
 
2012/02/13 16:10:06
ChuckC
Digitalboy - Sounds cool , I'd love to see some pics of yer monitors, maybe hear a mix?  How much did you spend on the parts to make them?  I am very good with wood working and have also been considering building some monitors myself so I am intrigued!
2012/02/15 18:02:08
digitalboy
ChuckC


Digitalboy - Sounds cool , I'd love to see some pics of yer monitors, maybe hear a mix?  How much did you spend on the parts to make them?  I am very good with wood working and have also been considering building some monitors myself so I am intrigued!
Here's a link to the main speakers that I built a gazillion years ago now...I built three pairs of the ME2's with twin 8" subs using the Scan Speak 21W/8555-01 in each sub...
 
http://www.nutshellhifi.com/Ariel.html
http://www.nutshellhifi.com/ME2txt.html#me2 
 
The bass in that system is controlled by a very high tech method...There is a sock in each sub port  
 
The ME2's are sealed...
 
I also built some 2 way speakers using the Scan Speak 18W/8543-00 and the D2905/9000... 

I've been building amps for many years now - from Class A heaters,to sweet sounding mosfet A/B designs etc and I was blown away when I heard the Gainclone amps.
 
It also fitted in perfectly with my "green",low energy philosphy and my love of minimalism...
 
I have built many Gainclones now,using most of the available chips and they all sound good...
 
There's one point to point design that uses the most minimal approach and it is very cool.... 
 
http://dogbreath.de/Chipamps/GainCardCopy/GainCardCopy.html
 
These amps also sound great as a clean power amp for guitar ...Well they work for me...
 
Do the Google thing and you'll find heaps of info on these amps...
 
You can get great kits here http://www.audiosector.com/ and here http://chipamp.com/
 
The LM3875 started it all,but the LM3886,LM4780 and even the LM1875 work fine...
 
There's also the TDA series - great sounding mosfet chips - TDA7293,TDA7294 etc....
 
Once again there may be newer chips available,but these are what I was playing around with...
 
I can post some mixes at some stage,but if you're going to listen to them through NS10's,there's no point  
 
These DIY systems can sound better than many of the sexy looking "Hi-Fi" offerings out there...
 
Pick great sounding source material ( "Steps" by Pat Coil - Sheffield Lab - is one that comes to mind) and then close your eyes and listen....
 
That's a good place to start.....
 
BTW...Many of the Dynaudio speakers use Scan Speak drivers and they only ever use the best quality components..

2012/11/01 09:12:12
bobguitkillerleft
Speechless http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=yamaha+ns10m+studio&_sop=3
I recorded an album with an early band,and most of the monitoring was done with the NS 10's,and even though the studio was fairly inexpensive,they had massive expensive looking corner/ceiling mounted 3 three ways with 15" bass drivers as well.
 
I actually remember the band especially the guitars sounded surprisingly good considering what I'd heard said[negatively]about these speakers,but I must say I'm thoroughly repulsed at the price they now go for second hand,i.e. link.
 
When this thread was written[I had to modify my link as I just discovered it now[Feb. 4th 2014] led to a basic home page of everything and anything on ebay whereas when I pasted it back in Nov.02 2012 it did lead to $800+ sets,now thei're even more.
 
Not too long after this thread,there was a Japanese fellow selling sets for around $200 AUD a pair,qute reasonable considering but freight to Adelaide was another 200+,which was lot considering I got some 5" Rokits sent from San Jose for less,and as they're powered they're a LOT heavier,though I still kind of wished I'd sprung for a pair of the 2 hundred ones now,hindsight is annoying hey.
 
Like Cactus,I don't believe for a second they couldn't replicate them fairly easily but just don't,which does irritate,as I do have this nagging want for a set,since I actually did like them that week in that studio back in 89,but there is no way I'm forking anymore than a few hundred max,since they are just bookshelf home stereo speakers,and that is the most they"re worth especially with mold on the yellowing speaker cones,and magnets falling off in transit,and of course pre blown,due to age.
Bob
2012/11/01 13:19:25
Ham N Egz
RE: REISSUE the NS10 type speaker

Mr Uli Behringer, the gauntlet has been thrown down...

you even include a sheet of tissue paper with each speaker..
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