I just recently installed Windows 8.1 x64 and Sonar X3d x64 on a newly home built computer. All installations went well including sound card drivers of the Emu 0404 PCI and GuitarPort\PodFarm. Music played on these devices sounded well and everything was nice and stable. Then I decided to dig in and learn Sonar X3d by first opening the first tutorial project "Mixing Tutorial." The project played smoothly and sounded nicely on my speakers. I noticed the master bus meter was peeking into the red region. So I decided to pull down its fader. As I placed the mouse cursor on the fader and clicked, the cursor disappeared and the fader jumped all the way to the top of its range. When I released the mouse button, the cursor reappeared exactly where I placed it but the fader went all the way up forcing me to stop the music and turn down the volume on the speakers. Several more attempts to adjust the fader failed as it was either jumping to the top or going to INF without me sending it there. I checked all the controls including Pan on Sonar's UI - track view and console view and they all exhibited this behavior. This is not the case with plugins as the controls on their UIs can be adjusted smoothly. It's just on Sonar's UI. I opened an old project and the same behavior occurred. The mouse that I'm using is a Logitech MX310 USB which is about 7 years old. I had checked their website for software for this model compatible with Windows 8.1 and this is what I saw " Will provide basic navigation in Windows 8 style UI. Features programmed in SetPoint software may not function in this mode." No software but that statement. Is this the cause of my problem with Sonar?
 
My computer specs are: Asus M5A97 R2.0 motherboard, AMD FX4300 CPU, Asus/nVidia 210 silent videocard, and two 500 gb Western Digital harddrives.
 
 
 

Please remove any Logitech software to do with your mouse (it's generally useless bloatware) in Add/Remove Programs (i.e. Setpoint), reboot and use the drivers Windows supplies should hopefully be automatically detected automatically. You may need to run Windows update afterwards.
 
You can shut down Windows by continuously pressing ALT-F4 if you lose control of your mouse.
 
Cheers...

 I didn't install any Logitech driver and other software for the mouse. I'm using what Win 8.1 installed. I have rebooted several times and uninstalled/reinstalled Sonar but the problem persists. This is not happening on PodFarm, Emu PatchMix nor any other software with movable controls. When I click on a movable controller on the Sonar UI and then scroll with the mouse wheel there is slow movement but the increments are too large, say from -6.1 to -4.7; you cannot do any proper mixing with that. I'll do a search to buy another brand with Win 8 compatible drivers and software and then see what happens.

For fine control try pressing the SHIFT key while using the mouse wheel.

Try borrowing a friends mouse for the evening and see what happens...

I don't think its your hardware or your operating system.
 
My Sonar X3 just started doing this on my computer about a half hour ago. I am on Windows 8. It has operated normally for about a month before this. BTW, I am on X3 b build 216.
 
I really sucks, renders itself useless.
 
X2 does not have the problem, and no other software I tried has the problem. I tried a bunch of other software, and the mouse is fine. The problem is X3, I suppose it could be some weird setting, or another case of the programmers deciding to help us by automating but it didn't come out right. But it only happens in X3.
 
I can tell you it really sucks.
 
I really am seriously considering going back to 8.5.  It worked in a fashion I could understand.
 
Good luck.
 
Edit: I forgot to mention I also tried re-booting the computer. Its a problem of X3, I am pretty sure.
 
 
 
 
 
 

I think its a little bit of a leap of faith to think this is the same issue when most other people do not have this issue so there's probably a solution, and besides pharoh you don't tell us about your mouse. What you really need to do though is upgrade to X3D, reset and rescan your plugins as you are running b. Cheers. And can both of you please run windows update.

The thing is this computer was meant to be offline, so automatic updates are not possible. I have another computer for internet activity. Any updates would have to come from a downloadable patch and saved on a USB flash drive. I checked Microsoft site and saw no updates for Win 8.1. However, Scook has provided a workaround that works. You first click the controller area to select it, then press the Shift key and scroll with the mouse wheel and the value increases or decreases by 1. The only problem I can see with this solution is that automation is going to have to be manually input. The slider on the transport module on the Control Bar has the same problem and the mouse wheel has no effect on that. Moving nodes around on an envelope work as they should. Anyhow, I am eager to learn this new version and start creating music with it. Thanks for the scope Scook.

It is possible I have a different but similar problem.
 
I don't understand this. Of course I have been wrong so many times, because I am old and new stuff puts me off. And thank goodness for the helpers on this forum, that have set me straight when I couldn't figure out more or less simple things, like v-vocal coming up hidden from view.
 
But on the other hand I am not stupid (I hope and think). I really believe this is X3.
 
Everything worked fine until two hours ago. Then all of a sudden the only two states (after you try and use your mouse)  for volume or gain are 0 or -inf.  The only pan position is 0. It doesn't matter if you are in the inspector or not. The  same condition is with all with all knobs. So for instance, the EQ in Pro-channel is always set to maximum frequency if you mouse click it.
 
All other programs work great. Only X3 is messed up. Even X2 works fine with the mouse.
 
I didn't install update "d" or "c" because there are many comments on the forum about stability. I really treasure stability over features. And the question remains why this should start all of a sudden. The mouse worked fine this afternoon.
 
I don't want to update windows because Microsoft wants to force me to 8.1 and I am not sure about the drivers. Its getting to the point where Microsoft interrupts me daily wanting to make me update to 8.1.  I am still resisting.
 
Besides, this just should not happen and should not have happened. Mouse technology is a basic service, not moon landing stuff. Why would things change all of a sudden?
 
When I get an hour I will call tech support and see if they know what the problem is. In the meantime I will familiarize myself with X2. Or just install 8.5 and start smiling again.
 
I am not comfortable at all with X3. I basically have stopped making new recording projects because I know it will be so aggravating. I note one more time I must be getting too old.
 
Not that it should matter, my mouse is a Logitech wireless mouse. Works great except for Sonar X3. I have a wired mouse in storage. I will bet serious cash that nothing changes if I use it.
 
Thanks for your comments and concern. And I apologize for the semi-rant. I know we all pull in the same direction, and I really appreciate any help, and I wish I could offer more advise myself to this forum.
 
 

 
Maybe it's because Sonar has access to internals deep down in the system (I have no idea) but it's the only program that I've ever run that screwed up my mouse's behaviour.
 
There have been several posts regarding erratic mice.