I'm at a loss to understand why anybody would want to try and remove space in the project file, at the beginning or end. I mean, why?




I feel obligated to answer this, since I started the thread!

I'm betting I'm not the only person who wants to finish a mix, then burn a CD and listen to it in the car / beat box etc etc etc before moving along to the mastering process? My frustration was that I just happened to have 8-10 secs of silence before the song started, and it made the A/Bing of different CDs with different variations of the mix very irritating to do. I'm relatively new to this whole thing, and haven't 'learned' my monitors well enough to trust them yet ;)

Hope that answers the question....and thanks for you're respective points of view

Cheers, Bill

ORIGINAL: Bill Hester

ISecondly wow is that maybe this wasn't such a dumb question after all! I do use envelopes a lot so selecting all and dragging isn't going to work for me. When I have exported audio to create the final wav file, I have tried setting the 'now' time to the opening bar, however it always renders the whole thing from the very start..... Not clear how the above advice differs from what I've done in the past?

After selecting all tracks, select the bars between beginning and ending of the song, then export audio (bounce)

Now that's a great question because it asks "why can't we move an audio file together with it's envelopes?" Come on Cakewalk that would be something. That's the big problem exporting as OMF files, no envelopes. Can you imagine exporting an OMF file in Sonar with envelopes and being able to import with envelopes into Logic or Pro Tools? wow that would be something else. I fear the different protocols would find difficulty in reading that, unless envelopes could be somehow standardised like wav files and midi.

I ask this question a bit back, I dont like to eliminate or move lots o tracks. My fav answer is:

You can also place a marker at the place you want to start your export. (F11 is the shortcut key to add a marker). Ctrl-A in the track view to select all. Then click on the marker in the markers view, and your selection will adjust to that marker's point. You can also set an End marker, so that when you click on your beginning marker you selection will be adjusted to between the two.


Here is the thread with other suggestions:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=659871&mpage=1&key=򡆟

I think if you hit CTRL and drag down all your Track Numbers, all data plus envelopes will be selected, then just drag all that data to the left as many measures as you'd like.

I hesitate to say but....that sounds like the simplest solution yet Tonester. Will this move all the envelopes and automation too?

I must be missing something. I have succesfully done what the original poster is asking by selecting all my clips, cutting by ctrl-X-ing, and clicking all the boxes to include track and clip enevelopes. Then I paste everything back starting at 0:0:0. I am not at my DAW, so I don't remember for sure if this also moves track envelopes. Can anyone confirm?

Doc DROP

Hi Bill,

A couple of people have said this, and I have to agree - there really is no need to delete the silence and slide everything over in the project - just snip off the start of the exported WAV file - you could even just take it back into Sonar to do that, re-export it and overwrite the WAV.

Plus - if the silence is gone, and then you have an idea for a cool intro (like Bitflipper said) you'll have to slide it all the other way again!

You can do ctrl-click and drag in the timeline to set the selected region to whatever you want. ctrl-click at the end of your project and then drag over to the left until you pass the start. Zoom in to fine tune. No need to export from a 'select all'.

Super easy - choose the "Move" tool, third tool icon from top left, select all (cntrl A) and just drag it over.