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  • FX Chain module resets X3c (p.2)
2013/11/24 10:52:38
Taurean Mixing
scook
We just see the function of the FX Chain container differently. The preset is only what is in the container. The input slider setting may depend on how hot the signal is coming into the FX chain after the FX Chain is inserted and the preset loaded which would be unknowable at the time the preset was saved.




The sliders do not contain an automatic function. They are literally part of the gain stage, one for the in-coming signal and one for the output from whatever plugins are in-between. You do see that they don't adjust depending on your signal, correct? They are
just old fashion, gain sliders for us to adjust gain. Right now, they are not functioning correctly and since they reset they are useless.
It is simpler than you think. Just imagine the input or output parameters of a plugin: same thing.
2013/11/24 11:11:18
scook
Yes, they are not automatic. No need to imagine, they are in fact the input gain and output volume of a plug-in.
2013/11/24 11:14:13
Taurean Mixing
scook
Yes, they are not automatic. No need to imagine, they are in fact the input gain and output volume of a plug-in.



Ah, that might be your confusion. The input and output sliders are not associated with any plugin. They are just part
of the FX Chain module as a container with simple in/out gain adjustment. Where you set them and save them is where
they should be when you open that particular preset. So it is a bug but I am surprised at how many people ignore this. It's
baffling.
2013/11/24 11:30:15
scook
It is a bug if you want it to be one.
2013/11/24 11:44:04
Taurean Mixing
scook
It is a bug if you want it to be one.




Scook, I am sorry this issue is lost on you, you are clearly not understanding the issue.
The bug ticket as been submitted.
2013/11/24 11:51:53
Taurean Mixing
And here are two final pieces of proof it is a bug. I tested the FX module in ProCh. and that retains input and output sliders.
Create it, save the project, close it, and reopen and the sliders are indeed in the right positions as you left them and saved
them.
 
The other is, if you leave the FX Chain in the FX bin, save the project, reopen it, the input and output settings are retained,
as they should!
 
So it is only when saving an actual FX Chain preset and reloading that where the input and output values reset to 0.
2013/11/24 11:55:28
T4
This is funny. Only because you're so convinced of yourself.

Why would you need to save a value that is completely unique to each individual use? Would you save the threshold value for a compressor setting from one track/project to the next? This is the same thing.

No one is ignoring this, you're just the only one confused about it, apparently.
2013/11/24 11:59:28
Taurean Mixing
T4
This is funny. Only because you're so convinced of yourself.

Why would you need to save a value that is completely unique to each individual use? Would you save the threshold value for a compressor setting from one track/project to the next? This is the same thing.

No one is ignoring this, you're just the only one confused about it, apparently.



Haha thank you for contributing more confusion Mr. 1 post.
 
Do you understand what you are saying? Let's take your compressor example. If you are mixing a band
with a couple of songs and you need to save for example some kind of chain for the sake of continuity of
the same recordings, you expect for the settings to be retained either within the project OR if you saved a
particular preset for yourself. EVEN if you need to tweak the settings, there is absolutely no reason why any
part of your settings should be changed if you did not intend on changing them.
 
I didn't think something so simple would be so confusing!
 
2013/11/24 11:59:59
T4
Oh, goodness.

Of course the values stay when you save your project. That's what you have it set as. But when you pull up a new instance what makes you think you'll need the exact same gain staging as the last time you used it? Why would you need it to be any value other than zero to start gain staging for THAT particular situation?!!
2013/11/24 12:02:13
Taurean Mixing
T4
Oh, goodness.

Of course the values stay when you save your project. That's what you have it set as. But when you pull up a new instance what makes you think you'll need the exact same gain staging as the last time you used it? Why would you need it to be any value other than zero to start gain staging for THAT particular situation?!!



First of all, you can't dictate somebody's work flow, people will do certain things whether you understand them or not.
That is besides the point! Get it through your head, plugin settings should NEVER change if you save them whether as a
preset OR if left within a project. You are a fool if you think otherwise!
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