• SONAR
  • Why can't we SEND to a new track instead of only busses?
2014/03/07 16:34:01
EFaaT
Forgive me, but I'm no search whiz. I've tried but can't find an answer.
 
I keep watching tutorial videos on YouTube and Groove3 and they SEND to new tracks. AFAIK we can't do that. Watching them do something that I can't do is daunting. How do we do it with X3d Producer? Am I missing something? Is there a way to emulate this? Sure would be nice. TIA
 
~Thom
2014/03/07 17:03:37
Sanderxpander
There is no way to do that in Sonar. Apart from simple visual track/bus organisation, it doesn't seem to be a feature we really miss, what is it you can't do right now but would want to?
2014/03/07 18:17:03
wmb
The feature is basically the same as sending to a new bus. Pro Tools uses the term BUS slightly differently than Sonar in the way it structures various outputs. Generally speaking sending to a New Track is identical to sending to Create New Stereo Bus or whatever the option is in Sonar. The only functional difference in Pro Tools is that their New Track (aka bus when used as a destination for a source output or send) can reside anywhere in the layout of the tracks with no segregation between tracks and buses like in Sonar. That behavior is also one of my favorite features in Pro Tools.
2014/03/07 20:17:16
EFaaT
And that segregation is why I wish we could. I'd like my reverb/effects buses [or tracks or whatever] next to the tracks that are using them, or somewhere in the neighborhood, not stuck out in far right field. Plus, unless I'm mistaken they can also be routed to other tracks, not just other buses. It seems to be much more modular and flexible that way. I'd like that to happen. With the incredible X3 comping ease and the ARA integration [plus other features] Sonar is my keeper, by far, but if this was added it would really be unbeatable. I even have an extra 27" monitor dedicated to the console view and I still get tired of scrolling and dragging the buses out. Really interrupts the work flow. If someone has a better way I'd love to hear it. Thanks
2014/03/07 20:46:43
bitflipper
Reaper takes that approach. It does not distinguish between tracks and busses - they're both just destinations. A great idea, IMO. Unfortunately, just about everything else in Reaper felt so awkward to me that I couldn't ever get into it despite repeated attempts.
 
I come from a hardware background, where tracks are tracks and busses are busses. I'm therefore accustomed to thinking of them as fundamentally different kinds of things. Also, I don't use the Console view. Ever. In Track View I can position a bus right under a track if I want to.
 
At the end of the day, I don't consider SONAR's bus implementation to be limited at all.
 
Well, OK, I'd like to be able to freeze busses. Other than that, no complaints.
2014/03/08 00:24:04
Kev999
I prefer track and buses to be separate.  However, if Cakewalk ever introduce a new feature in Console View that would allow the option of viewing a mixture of tracks and buses merged together and and allowing the user to put them in any order, then I would probably welcome this feature and make good use of it.
2014/03/08 03:50:12
Sanderxpander
Yeah so it's purely for visual organization. No arguments from me there, that would be nice. But I would like a track to remain a track and a bus to be a bus. It would be helpful if we could organize them more freely.
2014/03/08 07:23:06
cowboydan
We have a long way to go to get the ULTIMATE DAW. When we get there there would be only one DAW to choose from. Then we can complain about which name to give it. if you could please everyone , then the bakers would be out of work.
Not so good. 
Lets just have fun complaining.
2014/03/08 08:20:10
John
I like the way Sonar does it and have no desire to send anything to a track. I like buses to be buses and tracks to be tracks.
2014/03/08 10:59:21
EFaaT
It wasn't meant to be a complaint. I thought maybe I was missing something, or someone more experienced had a workaround.
 
It seems very fluid and useful in the tutorials, which teach some very cool techniques done simply and easily because of this feature, but then I sit in front of Sonar and have no idea how to accomplish the same thing. I'm sure it's just me, but I'd find it useful.
 
Thanks everyone.
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