• SONAR
  • Change project tempo without altering anything. (p.2)
2014/03/12 21:30:11
brundlefly
If you know for certain that the 96BPM tempo is what the drummer was actually working to, the procedure I gave will work. But if that tempo was just an estimate, you might do better to count out 8 or more measures while listening to the drums, and then Shift+M with the Now time on that transient to set the actual measure and beat by what the drummer played. That's the real intended use of Shift+M.
 
Incidentally, that tempo ratio is very close to 48/44.1kHz. So I suspect this is all due to a clocking issue... or maybe you already knew that, and that's how you calculated the target tempo...?
2014/03/12 21:41:47
Splat
Well nothing clever is going on with the MIDI clock, all the bog standard defaults.
Drummer was playing my Octapad triggering Addictive Drums, everything is in sync... just this "why is the project tempo set differently in the project" mystery.
 
I'll check it all out tomorrow... thanks for the advice...
2014/03/12 21:42:32
bapu
I once had a MIDI file that I opened with SONAR. The project opened to some tempo (don't recall but let's jusy call it 110 for argument sake). Now this was a cover song that I JUST KNEW was not 110. It was 80 BPM based based on that MixMesiter tool of the original song. When I laid the original song in the project along side the MIDI it was def in sync with the MIDI.
 
So the MIDI was probably created at a tempo of 110 (FWIW) but the player was probably listening to the original (maybe in a iPod or something) and just created the MIDI.
 
I wished I had known about Shift-M. I do not actually remember how I solved the problem but I did, probably with a big hammer.
2014/03/12 22:00:28
brundlefly
CakeAlexS
Well nothing clever is going on with the MIDI clock, all the bog standard defaults.
Drummer was playing my Octapad triggering Addictive Drums, everything is in sync... just this "why is the project tempo set differently in the project" mystery.
 
I'll check it all out tomorrow... thanks for the advice...


Not MIDI clock, audio clock. There are no mysteries, only failures to understand. 
2014/03/12 22:01:51
Splat
Right it was on audio for sure. Sorry I was back in the 90s. Thanks..
2014/03/14 11:08:27
Splat
Thanks Dave for this. Your method was exactly what I was looking for thanks!
Well the tempo was 88 and he was drumming more like 93. The drummer was as not as exact as I thought and I think the drummer simply ignored the click. Next time the whole band gets it. Live and learn I guess....
 
nb Normally I hate clicks (as I know people might veer in shock as everybody uses them, but I hate keeping things rigid as often it takes away the organic ...) but this was an experiment as I figured this band needed it. I figure the drummer followed the band more than the band followed the drummer in this instance.
2014/03/14 14:04:22
bluzdog
Lynn
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Lynn...a little  o.t. but are you familiar with http://www.venetowest.com/rcm/
 
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