This is why "deleting measures or time" is a preferable method...I think (???)
per here:
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/D...eq=EditingMIDI.33.html

I think delete special also works best.
I could be wrong but deleting by lasso, doesn't always mean deleting automation either.

Thanks Vast, yes, I see reference to inserting time/measures with options to keep events, markers, key/time changes in tact (I assume events includes automation).  I'm guessing it works the same for deleting time/measures although it does not have any reference to that in the help file.  Not in my studio so can't try it out, will do so later.

Hey guys, an extension of my last question... I have about a minute of empty space at the end of my song.  I have tried highlighting after the end of the song and deleting, delete hole, etc, etc bot can;t seem to cut that space.  I don't see any effects or automation or anything in the space.  For fun I tried to highlight as far as I could after the end of the song, but my timeline seems to go on forever.  I seek your advice oh wise and noble musicians of the internet.

Don't worry about it, specify a time range when exporting.

squo
Hey guys, an extension of my last question... I have about a minute of empty space at the end of my song.  I have tried highlighting after the end of the song and deleting, delete hole, etc, etc bot can;t seem to cut that space.  I don't see any effects or automation or anything in the space.  For fun I tried to highlight as far as I could after the end of the song, but my timeline seems to go on forever.  I seek your advice oh wise and noble musicians of the internet.

There must be something out there to fool Sonar into thinknig the song is longer than it is.
Things to check for:

• Automation nodes
• Markers
• Tempo Changes
• Meter/Key changes
• Hidden tracks/busses
• Bus automation

 
There might be others, but these are the obvious ones
 

You can also try the "Fit To Time" function.  This also only works when there is data in a track.
 
PROCESS> Fit To TIme
 
Make sure you check the  "Use Tempo" Box and you will have to re-input your original desired tempo at the start of the song .  There might be an issue with audio clips getting out of sync so you might have to lock em all up in place.  I use this all the time when scoring to picture, but most of the time I'm just dealing with midi data.
 
It works best with small amounts of time cuts, but should keep all your automation in place. 
 
 

scook... how do I specify a time range when exporting ?  Don't see that option in either of the 2 popup windows that come up when I export (i.e. to select the file format, bit rate, etc.)

It is not an export option, you need to specify the time range as part of the selection criteria before executing the export option. There are various methods just covered in this thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3005788

Thanks scook.  I tried that a while back and it did not trim the time range.  But just tried it again and now seems to be working.  Problem solved.  Thanks again.