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  • OT: Tough world out there for DAWS, PT (p.2)
2014/02/26 14:18:32
simonknight
Sibelius didn't find a new home. Avid sacked the development team to save money.
2014/02/26 14:28:35
Sanderxpander
So I understand :(
Still hoping for continued development by whoever is left there :/
2014/02/26 14:30:32
mettelus
Might as well link their community reaction as well. http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=351541
 
The funny part is one guy (who posted the OP) starting off with "Wow! First of all, Avid edited my post. I just had a few lines saying they had received the letter saying they were being delisted. AVID decided to add that LONG bit afterward. Odd if there is nothing to worry about."
 
2014/02/26 15:04:19
Anderton
Pro Tools isn't going to go away. It's an asset that can be sold, although I presume its value isn't what it used to be...
2014/02/26 19:36:29
denverdrummer
Yes PT isn't going away, there's too much of the industry world wide that is to heavily invested in PT for it to go away.
 
They are rapidly losing market share.  There are a ton of DAWs out there, and perhaps too many, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them close shop, but it won't be Pro Tools.  But a lot of them are eating into PT's market share. 
 
PT has totally lost the consumer market though.  They are basically a high end customer based DAW.  The marketing of the product and worse the treatment of their customers.  What is it $399 to upgrade to PT 11 for PT 10 users?  That is a slap in the face to your customer base.  The M-Audio bundles are a joke IMO.  The interfaces are OK, you can get better for the money.  They were really too late to the game supporting ASIO for Windows users.  If they hadn't been so locked down from the beginning, it might be a different story now.
 
I imagine they spent a lot of money to get the 64 bit engine out, which is something they've needed to do for years.  And that was an expenditure that had to happen for them to compete.  That's probably a lot of the reason for their cash flow problem, and their ridiculous asking price for upgrades.  Someone has to pay those developers.
 
 
 
2014/02/26 22:22:24
bapu
denverdrummer
I imagine they spent a lot of money to get the 64 bit engine out, which is something they've needed to do for years.  And that was an expenditure that had to happen for them to compete.  That's probably a lot of the reason for their cash flow problem, and their ridiculous asking price for upgrades.  Someone has to pay those developers.

And now plug manufactures are scrambling get AAX versions out.
 
Avid seems to be job creators ATM.
2014/02/26 22:58:16
Matt
Asking this just out of curiosity, is Pro Tools considered a DAW?  I mean I always considered Pro Tools to be hardware in competition with MOTU (for example), not with Sonar.  For example, about 70% of the people I know in LA use Logic software in conjunction with Pro Tools hardware.  But I don't know a single person who uses Pro Tools software to write/compose like you would in Sonar/Logic/Cubase/etc.  Record audio, yes, but not write music.  I may be behind the times which is why I'm asking.
2014/02/27 03:53:10
Sanderxpander
I don't think they ever gained a real foothold in the production end of things, though they tried for a while with their massively crippled M-Powered versions. As you say, it is more recording, but I think in the bigger recording studios they are still dominant. I have no statistics to back that up by the way :)
2014/02/27 07:25:44
FCCfirstclass
As far as notation programs go, Finale 2014 is the latest version of the program and, IMO, is much easier and more streamlined than Sibelius.  In fact, you can cross upgrade to Finale from Sibelius for a normal upgrade price of $139.
 
http://www.finalemusic.com/
 
I have used Finale for over one year now and find it easy to use to score music and then import that into Sonar. 
2014/02/27 07:43:48
Sanderxpander
I've always found Finale way more cumbersome to operate, always having to select the right tool before any operation, etc.
I've been using Sibelius since version 2 or 3 and always got along with it much better, even though they tried teaching us Finale at school.

I would be seriously pissed if I had to move camp.
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