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  • OT: Tough world out there for DAWS, PT (p.3)
2014/02/27 08:14:10
mmorgan
IIRC Steinberg hired the Sibelius team after Avid let them go.
 
Regards,
2014/02/27 08:30:16
Sanderxpander
I've read that too but it seems entirely unclear to me what it means for the product Sibelius.
2014/02/27 08:41:56
bitman
Daws that used to be specialized and relatively expensive are more or less commodity items now.
All it takes is one reaper, linux chrome book or model A to rain on everyone's former parade. 
2014/02/27 08:51:25
Sacalait
I remember going up to Sweetwater Sound for a job interview in 2003. (...as fate would have it, I didn't get the gig...  God is good...) At the time ProTools was the big guy in the digital world.  However, it seemed at that time is when they were changing the branding to Digidesign.  I remember thinking at the time it was marketing suicide.  In fact, I met with the VP of Sales at Sweetwater and I had a hard time not calling the product ProTools.  I still think it was a stupid move on their part to neglect the branding like they did.  Yes, I know the software is called ProTools but that name implied everything when it started- and it worked.  I'm not surprised they're on hard times, frankly.
2014/02/27 09:14:45
Geo524
I never liked Digidesign, Avid's (whatever) business model. Forcing people to upgrade their hardware to keep up with the latest release wasn't cool. They changed that policy thankfully enough, but albeit a little to late. They're still way to expensive for the hobbyist and i-Lok just sucks? PT will survive and hopefully they will make their pricing a little more competitive. There are to many affordable players in the field to choose from these days. I'm not the least bit surprised about Avid going under.
2014/02/27 09:36:27
BJN
slartabartfast
BJN
Don't worry about it.
Mis management within Avid doesn't change Protools and it will find a new owner like Yamaha.




Define mismanagement. Cakewalk has been through two owners in a couple of years in the face of unprofitability. As likely as mismanagement is the possibility that the demand for the product is less than the readers of this forum realize. People who are interested in just cobbling together some kind of music with a computer (or smartphone) need not spend hundreds of dollars on DAW software, and the truly professional market is really very small. It is certainly too small to support any of the first class DAW's at a price that most of us could afford if only the professionals were buying. The dilettantes and dabblers (most of us if we are honest) have provided most of the market for "professional" music software, just as we made the PortaStudio and similar home recording hardware possible in the past. If you are really interested in having affordable high quality music software available, you should certainly be worried.




Sorry, when I first heard and read the news it was when the report that the shareholders hadn't received their annual report. I commented on it in another thread here and didn't feel like going into it. In my opinion a change of hands with PTs will be a good thing for users.
mis: wrongly or badly; incorrectly. Manage: handle or control. Management: governing bodies of an organization that see to its overall operations. \
When I was first wanting a DAW I had heard of Protools and as the Professional choice used in most studios. I wanted in but couldn't get their lite demo 8 track version to work.
I was going to get Cubase when a band friend showed me his Sonar 6.
I know here is not the place to be a fan of PTs but I did notice it has more video tutorials than any other DAW and they go deep. There are alot of skilled users many of whom have invested in the hardware back when computing power needed DSP interfaces, which is what made PT top DAW a long time running.
Computing power has been good enough for a while now that even PT not long ago released users from their interfaces.
But I also agree with geo, PT is expensive unless you picked up the Eleven that included PTs. That was a hot deal but a little too late.
There are too loyal users who don't want to learn a new DAW and will stick with them.
With players like Reaper all DAWs pricing is being challanged. PTs upgrade policy like that of Cubase will change .
Sonar is a shinning example of supporting your clientele. 
It is true we the home/project studios are the biggest market for the recording equipment industry.
2014/02/27 10:56:32
mmorgan
Sanderxpander
I've read that too but it seems entirely unclear to me what it means for the product Sibelius.



Just a guess but the Staff View in their flagship product may be getting some TLC. And of course the possibility of a new freestanding notation product could be in the works...Yamaha (SB's parent co.) has some pretty deep pockets.
 
Regards,
2014/02/27 13:42:02
denverdrummer

I'm not sure the accuracy of this, but I saw this over on gearslutz.com user forum, So I don't know if it was gearslutz that gathered the data or if it was being copied from somewhere else.  These results were cumulative from 2009-2012  (Blue 2009 - Green 2012).  What I find interesting is how big of a drop PT has taken in that time.  Then you had new comer S1 on the block that has been rapidly growing in popularity.
 
As I said, I think there are way too many DAW's on the market, and I think you are going to see some fallout.  I think Sonar and Logic have some advantage in they are platform specific.  Someone mentioned Sonar being sold on Steam which I think is huge.  I would also like to see Sonar get on the Windows 8 market place.  This is how Logic is being distributed through the App store, and you can see how popular it was in this survey.
 
There's no 2013 data on here, but I know X3 has been very popular, so hopefully that bar is going up for Cakewalk, but I think it's good they increased in popularity from 2009 even if slightly.  I'd be worried though for FL Studio, Reason, and Samplitude.
 
2014/02/27 13:54:14
mettelus
What is the x-axis on that chart?
 
I guess my "hard spot" (and always will be) is the "music for us" versus "music for the masses" mentality. The advancement in computer technology has made "music for the masses" easily accessible, which is the way things should be.
2014/02/27 14:00:57
wetdentist
where's Bain Capital when you need them?
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