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  • Thankful We Still Have V-Vocal (p.2)
2014/02/23 11:51:43
Splat
Well funnily enough you are in luck:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA3B2FC0A5A99188D
 
and the 4th Groove3 video is free. 
2014/02/23 12:07:59
Guitarmech111
thx Alex :)
2014/02/23 13:16:06
stevec
Sanderxpander
I'm not sure I get what you mean with "spread" control. I don't recall a control with that name in VV but it's possible I just always called it something else in my head.


I was wondering about that one too.
 
I used VVocal for years with decent results.   But since I got Melodyne Editor on sale when S1 introduced ARA, I've only used VVocal a handful of times at best.  And that was for the timing tools which approach expansion/compression entirely different than Melodyne.   For anything related to pitch, it's all Melodyne for me.
 
2014/02/23 19:05:55
townstra
I went ahead and picked up the full version of Melodyne and it is a huge improvement over version that was included in X3 and I like it a lot more than VV also.
2014/02/24 07:34:36
olemon
I used V V to edit pitch and adjust amplitude on my last few projects.  Now that I'm familiar with it, it is quick and easy.  The Melodyne interface confuses me a bit, but it's really just a matter of getting used to it.  After reading this thread, I'm motivated to do that.
2014/02/24 08:07:05
The Maillard Reaction
The original Meldyne did exactly what it was supposed to do... very, very well!
 
The newer DNA version has never worked as simply or effectively for me. It usually seems to smart for its own good.
 
I wish I could still run the old version even though I have had the DNA version of Editor and the benefit of its updates for a couple years.
2014/02/24 13:38:19
Keni
bitflipper
Full Melodyne can do everything V-Vocal can do, and then some. It's especially adept at drawing in pitch transitions, something you have to do with great care in V-V in order to avoid artifacts but is transparent in Melodyne. Even drastic changes. Melodyne's paradigm is different and not as immediately intuitive as V-V, but once you get going it's quite fast to work with. 
 
That said, I have to admit that I still use V-V more often than Melodyne, reserving the latter for only the most critical parts. V-V is just so darn convenient.
 
Of course, the secret to pitch correction is a) get it right into the microphone at the start, and b) don't sweat the small stuff. I actually use zero pitch-correction on most tunes these days, or only a couple tweaks here and there. The trick is to not look at those little lines. They make you think that edits are necessary, whether they really are or not.




Thanks bitflipper...
 
This piques my curiosity of Melodyne Editor even more... What could it possibly do (other than polyphony) that VV does not?
 
I too find VV good and expedient and have done some amazing things with it... the limited version of Melodyne is almost useless to my other than it's simple and accurate audio>MIDI conversion so well implemented in Sonar... I've had to do a bit of drum replacement from audio tracks to MIDI samples lately and that feature is wonderful!
 
So, maybe you can answer my originally intended question... Does Editor allw more extensive spread control range?
 
I do pitch correction wherever and whenever my clients or I are bothered by an issue. I don't do it off the bat or for whole performances... A little bit of human goes a long way! (Tho a Lot of human goes too far! ;-))
Keni
 
2014/02/24 13:40:38
Keni
Sanderxpander
I'm not sure I get what you mean with "spread" control. I don't recall a control with that name in VV but it's possible I just always called it something else in my head. I've had the opposite experience, by the way, where I get much better results much quicker with Melodyne than with VV. I do have the full version though.



It is not called that in VV... It took me some searching to find it in Melodyne until I realized that "spread" was what I was after...
 
In VV, it's the tool that allows you to adjust the range of pitch closer (or farther?) from it's center... I don't recall what they call it but it's the 3rd or 4th tool down...
 
Keni
 
2014/02/24 14:43:25
AlKal
I believe this is called "Range" in Melodyne and you can adjust it from 0 to 100%
2014/02/24 17:46:41
Sanderxpander
Keni
Sanderxpander
I'm not sure I get what you mean with "spread" control. I don't recall a control with that name in VV but it's possible I just always called it something else in my head. I've had the opposite experience, by the way, where I get much better results much quicker with Melodyne than with VV. I do have the full version though.



It is not called that in VV... It took me some searching to find it in Melodyne until I realized that "spread" was what I was after...
 
In VV, it's the tool that allows you to adjust the range of pitch closer (or farther?) from it's center... I don't recall what they call it but it's the 3rd or 4th tool down...
 
Keni
 

Still confused, but I'm not at my computer right now. Pitch drift possibly? Or pitch modulation depth?
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