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2014/02/24 17:55:51
AlKal
My guess is that he’s is talking about “quantizing” to a pitch gird or scale. The Range in Melodyne (or “spread” as the OP refers to it) is how close you want to get on the exact pitch.
2014/02/24 20:18:46
rontarrant
When I was considering the upgrade, I looked at what I do musically and how useful the full version of Melodyne would be to me. The conclusion I came to was that the only time I'd really need it would be if my guitar were out of tune and frankly, it's far cheaper to tune the damn guitar.
2014/02/24 20:51:22
Splat
I got it because our guitarist was sh*t and didn't know it.
It happily has a "remove crap guitar part" button, and also has a "play a guitar part without wrong notes" button as well. Sadly it also has a "increase guitarist smugness" button (I didn't tell him I used it).
2014/02/24 21:35:59
Keni
Sanderxpander
Keni
Sanderxpander
I'm not sure I get what you mean with "spread" control. I don't recall a control with that name in VV but it's possible I just always called it something else in my head. I've had the opposite experience, by the way, where I get much better results much quicker with Melodyne than with VV. I do have the full version though.



It is not called that in VV... It took me some searching to find it in Melodyne until I realized that "spread" was what I was after...
 
In VV, it's the tool that allows you to adjust the range of pitch closer (or farther?) from it's center... I don't recall what they call it but it's the 3rd or 4th tool down...
 
Keni
 

Still confused, but I'm not at my computer right now. Pitch drift possibly? Or pitch modulation depth?


In VV it's called the LFO Tool (I just looked)... I use this a lot when I do pitch correction and it appears that it is the equivalent tool of what Melodyne calls "spread" via a pop up dialog box...

Keni
2014/02/24 21:41:57
Keni
AlKal
My guess is that he’s is talking about “quantizing” to a pitch gird or scale. The Range in Melodyne (or “spread” as the OP refers to it) is how close you want to get on the exact pitch.


No... I don't use quantize... But the LFO tool in VV allows you to tighten the pitch to its center... Lessening the range a pitch drifts about its center... Like a pitch compressor...

In Melodyne they call that spread and in the same dialog they also have a tool for adjusting that overall range to how centered it is on the pitch as opposed to hitting the pitch at its peak (upper or lower)... I simply do that manually in VV as I decide how I want the pitch to occur...

I find a lot of cleaning up pitch issues often is corrected by tightening the range. Thereby allowing the humanity of the shifting to remain, but forcing it to be closer to the pitch...

Keni
2014/02/24 21:47:11
Keni
I have wished for the polyphonic correction a number of times... It's not all that infrequent for a properly tuned guitar to have an off note/pitch due to intonation or hand-strangled notes.... I still wish for it but I can't afford the upgrade... I hope someday I will.

So far I prefer using VV, but having the polyphonic ability would be a handy tool to have...

Speaking of Melodyne (;-))....... Is there a way to turn off the audible sound while moving pitches? At the moment that sounds awful to me... And I don't remember if it can be disabled...

Keni
2014/02/25 03:17:40
Sanderxpander
Ok then I think you mean the pitch modulation tool. Melodyne doesn't allow you to create vibrato where there is none. Instead it amplifies or dims the natural vibrato. This allows for a more natural sounding vibrato, though it is true that sometimes it would be nice to use a custom LFO to "draw" vibrato anywhere you want it.
2014/02/25 15:33:40
Keni
Sanderxpander
Ok then I think you mean the pitch modulation tool. Melodyne doesn't allow you to create vibrato where there is none. Instead it amplifies or dims the natural vibrato. This allows for a more natural sounding vibrato, though it is true that sometimes it would be nice to use a custom LFO to "draw" vibrato anywhere you want it.




Yes, it controls modulation, but by increasing/decreasing the range of oscillation that the voice creates... No voice sits at a constant pitch... It rolls pleasantly or unpleasantly near for far from the centered pitch and what they term "LFO Tool" (mouseover on the tool) is what tightens and loosens that oscillation... It does not actually use an LFO to create the oscillation... Or at least I've never used it to do that if it can...
 
This appears to be the same tool as what Melodyne calls "Spread", but It is far more limited in the range it can compress/restrict.... I'm hoping that is different in some way in Editor or it badly limits a tool I use often...
 
Keni
 
2014/02/25 17:30:55
Sanderxpander
I've never seen the term spread in there, but I do know that Melodyne Essential does NOT include the pitch modulation tool that you're probably looking for.
Look here:
http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/functions

They call it vibrato in this list.
2014/02/25 17:32:08
jmasno5
Keni
I've had to do a lot of vocal editing lately...
 
I know Melodyne is supposed to be the holy grail, but I just can't accomplish as much work let alone as quickly with it as I can V-Vocal...
 
I know VV has problems of it's own, but it gives me so much more power/ability than the included version of Melodyne... Maybe I'd like it better if I could afford the upgrade, but I'm unsure that this would give me what I would want... I know I'd love the polyphonic capability (I am a guitarist first, eh?), but it seems too limited for me... Simple things like the spread control does not have the range that the spread tool does in VV...
 
Am I missing something? Is it something I'm not understanding of the UI yet?
 
Anyway...
 
Thanks for keeping VV with us....
 
Keni
 

I haven't spent time with it. I had a harmony that was holding a long single note. It wavered toward the end. I couldn't figure out (in 5 minutes) how edit only part of the note. I went back to VV, highlighted the bad part, done. 30 sec. VV is good. Melodyne Lite is ????
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