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2014/01/15 16:36:39
Axiology
Anderton


Sorry, no..."give it back" as in I borrowed it from the Gibson USA factory, I didn't buy it. But I'm seriously thinking of buying the new SG Standard bass or the 4-string EB.




Surely you already have a bass...
Acquiring a bass was a major priority for me when I started recording years ago.
 
http://axiology.bandcamp.com
2014/01/15 17:05:04
LANEY
Cool Thread!  I didn't know I could make my own sounds for Dim Pro so Easily. On a side note, I liked your blog on Fx chains. Is there somewhere we can download yours Craig? I liked the cool tube look. Thanks in advance.
2014/01/15 19:47:24
Anderton
Axiology
Anderton


Sorry, no..."give it back" as in I borrowed it from the Gibson USA factory, I didn't buy it. But I'm seriously thinking of buying the new SG Standard bass or the 4-string EB.




Surely you already have a bass...
Acquiring a bass was a major priority for me when I started recording years ago.
 
http://axiology.bandcamp.com




Yes, I have a very nice bass, actually...it was made by Bruce Becvar for Chris Squire, and the koa wood is gorgeous...but, with the tuned coil tap option Gibson's using on the pickups (different from standard coil tapping), there are eight distinctly different sounds I can get from the EB. That elevates it to "really useful in the studio" status.
2014/01/15 19:49:18
Anderton
LANEY
Cool Thread!  I didn't know I could make my own sounds for Dim Pro so Easily. On a side note, I liked your blog on Fx chains. Is there somewhere we can download yours Craig? I liked the cool tube look. Thanks in advance.




I sent it in to Cakewalk. I think they plan to make it available as a free download in user accounts.
 
I also have a vintage wah FX chain that rocks. It's not just a bandpass parametric filter stage, and I think it really does nail the wah sound. I hope to do a similar treatment on that as well.
2014/01/15 19:55:27
Anderton
Update on the Dim Pro bass sampling: I figured out how to add a short release time last night, I wanted to get rid of the "click" at the end of notes. All it takes is adding a "group" command, which affects all the samples. More details will be forthcoming on the blog, but it's as simple as one command with the release time specified in seconds:
 
ampeg_release=.1
 
The more I get into this, the more I'm finding it's really not that complicated. And the bass is sounding really good
 
I think I might post an unlisted YouTube URL (just for the people reading this thread) that leads to a piece of music using the EB-5 bass instrument in context.
 
2014/01/15 22:17:04
Anderton
mixmkr
This "new" EB bass must be different than the old EBO and EB3 back in the day.  I had one...not sure why...I think it even had a fuzz box built in.  Muddy sounding piece of mahogany.  Unless you were Jack Bruce, slamming it thru a Marshall, the only thing I thought had going for it was it looked like an SG guitar.

I'll have to check out this newer EB bass.  I like Bit's idea of the layer with the 4 elements...or something similar.



I doubt it had a fuzzbox built in But yes, they were very midrangy. IIRC Doug Lubahn, who played live with the Doors and with Clear Light, had an [edit] EB-1 violin bass from 1952 and he got a really good sound...but it was pretty much one sound. The tuned coil tap aspect of the new EBs basically give the option to scoop the mids. So the "native" sound still has a midrange "bark," but the taps can reduce it in various ways for "rounder" and "brighter" sounds.
 
Back to sampling...I have an idea for what might be a breakthrough way to do multisamples. This is why I haven't done the blog yet, I'm still in R&D mode!!!
2014/01/15 22:35:04
drewfx1
Anderton
I doubt it had a fuzzbox built in 



Gibson actually made a rare "EB-0F" model with a built in fuzz.
2014/01/15 22:53:00
Anderton
drewfx1
Anderton
I doubt it had a fuzzbox built in 



Gibson actually made a rare "EB-0F" model with a built in fuzz.




Wow, never knew that but found a link.
 
Taken as a whole, people on this forum really do know everything!!
2014/01/16 20:22:54
Anderton
Check this out...multisampling every note is really tedious, and sampling every open string then transposing the root note to cover a range of notes sounds sketchy because the formant doesn't shift (the difference between splits doesn't bother me so much, because different notes do sound different on bass).
 
So I tried sampling every open string, then copying samples to fill in the notes between samples. For example, I sampled E and A, and copied the E to what would be become the F, F#, G, and G# samples.
 
Now, here's the cool part: I used the transpose function for audio to shift the pitches. So for the F, I transposed a copied E up one semitone. For F#, I transposed another copied E up two semitones...etc. There's a Bass Solo transposition algorithm (how extremely convenient!!), and it really does the job.
 
As to sound quality, it doesn't sound at all like standard sample transposition because the transposition algorithm seems to preserve the formant. In some ways, I prefer it to the sample-for-each-string approach because there's more consistency (it's really hard to sample each note with the same attack, tone, level, etc.) yet there's a timbral change when changing notes among strings.
 
This technique really speeds up the sampling process, to say the least.
2014/01/16 20:44:23
mixmkr
drewfx1
Anderton
I doubt it had a fuzzbox built in 



Gibson actually made a rare "EB-0F" model with a built in fuzz.


ha...another lousy guitar I had back then, even though it had "Gibson" on the headstock, which is probably worth 10X nowadays.. 
BTW, my Vox Tone Bender was a piece of junk and I just sold my Electro Harmonix LPB-1 for a stupid amount on Ebay. 
That NEW EB model looks very nice.  I'll be eager to "play" it with my DimPro in the future!
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