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2014/01/15 09:50:36
Pragi
joden
hmmm - I can see you are a deep thinker there guigz2000. Thanks for that insightful post. Rather sweeping statements and ridiculous generalities.
 
OBVIOUSLY it would be not a full version, more a version that would run Sonar CWP's preset up on the PC...would be mostly MIDI for obvious reasons, but some audio based CWP's could also be used. So I am talking about a "player" app more than an "editing/production" app. 
 
Had you thought past your attempt at a supercilious reply you may have considered that THIS is what I was hinting at!


plus 1,
and I think he is nearly like a german.
2014/01/15 10:42:00
Splat
Ah and what a huge Spring hit that was for Madonna in Germany.
2014/01/15 12:03:46
SilkTone
There used to be a PC version of Logic until Apple bought it and immediately killed off the PC version.
 
Another vote for NOT porting Sonar to OSX, especially since CW can't even handle the existing load of bugs. If they were to develop an OSX version this situation would only get much worse and instead of one buggy version of Sonar we would have two extremely buggy versions.
 
CW just really needs to focus on making their existing products work better by fixing those bugs on that long list.
2014/01/15 12:27:03
Brad Russell
guigz2000
I didn't mention it before:
 
Brad Russell
The point is not that I got a Mac. The point is...The WORLD is getting a Mac. 



What a troll.
Well....In the US, apple market share is 10%...And since the US is one of the countries with Apple's biggest market share (they're rich and American),I wouldn't consider "everyone" is buying a Mac.
More seriously, the WORLD is getting Android....Why not sonar on Android? (There's iPad/Iphones, I know,but hey, there's a lot more Android smartphones!!)...Don't tell me,I know the answer.
 




I'm sorry for overstating the facts in my original post. I can see it didn't play well. My bad, but I'm no troll.
 
The PC market overall is in steady decline as consumers are opting for portable devices. What's left is the business user, proprietary industrial machines, data centers, and content creators. As the PC market has been in steady decline, Apple's market share has steadily been increasing. They were at 13.7 % over the holidays. They were number 3 among PC manufacturers but saw a 28 % increase against #1 HPs 10% decrease. Dell and Lenovo were up a little, but Toshiba was down 13%. Smaller manufacturers were down 30%. Consumers who are ejecting from the market are overwhelmingly windows users.
 
OK, so, the world isn't getting a mac. The world isn't even shopping for a PC. They're over in the other section of the store looking at tablets. Still, for those who are still using computers for content creation (which is pretty much all serious content creators), the windows based market share is declining and the Apple market share is increasing. That's why I think, no matter how entrenched in a market strategy Cakewalk may be, it would be in the best interests of the company and all of us who use the product (I own nearly every version since Sonar 1) for Cakewalk to offer their awesome product for OSX.
 
Peace and blessings to all.
 
 
2014/01/15 12:33:55
Splat
Nice post, but sorry I don't see that "it would be in the best interests of the company and all of us who use the product (I own nearly every version since Sonar 1) for Cakewalk to offer their awesome product for OSX." for more or less the reasons you've just explained in the same post. Anyway Gibson answered the question so that is that...
2014/01/15 14:07:07
stevec
Yeah.... I can completely understand the desire for an OSX based version of SONAR, but not the business case.   And as Alex mentioned it would appear that Gibson does not see that business case either.
 
IMHO the best path forward for SONAR users is at least an X3e, followed by an X4 series, X5, etc, all improving on the prior versions.
 
2014/01/15 18:29:21
Splat
I've got a feeling there will have to be a X3F and X3G after X3E, there's a lot of catch up and obvious bug squashing to do if you look at my bug thread, I don't think Cake are going to be able to fix the issues in just one more patch. It's maybe more reasonable to expect everything to be fixed within this year, certainly before X4 I hope, we shall see. BTW just to emphasise X3D is perfectly useable, it's just that there's a lot that needs fixing.
2014/01/15 19:30:14
ohgrant
 Well, they might have done a bit better over the holidays but lets wait to see what the next quarter looks like to say sales are up.  http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/10/technology/mac-pc-sales/ 
 
I think we were all better off before the ithingys and Xbox was released. I think both PC and Mac development has been much slower and I fear it is going to decline even more.
 
As has been mentioned, the only thing that differentiates a Mac and a PC now is the operating system. 
I would have no problem with CW developing Sonar for Mac, but I think Mac will be as reluctant as CW is to having that relationship.  
2014/01/15 22:44:32
Anderton
Brad Russell
 
The PC market overall is in steady decline as consumers are opting for portable devices. What's left is the business user, proprietary industrial machines, data centers, and content creators. As the PC market has been in steady decline, Apple's market share has steadily been increasing. They were at 13.7 % over the holidays. They were number 3 among PC manufacturers but saw a 28 % increase against #1 HPs 10% decrease. Dell and Lenovo were up a little, but Toshiba was down 13%. Smaller manufacturers were down 30%. Consumers who are ejecting from the market are overwhelmingly windows users.




Not sure where you got those figures...I could imagine Apple market share of shipments going up during the holidays, but the picture for 2013 as a whole up to 4Q is somewhat different...
 
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/09/mac-shipments-continue-to-shrink-as-apple-loses-ground-in-us-pc-market
 
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/09/apple-again-trails-u-s-pc-market-in-key-back-to-school-quarter-as-tablets-continue-to-eat-into-pc-sales/
 
But this is the one that's really revealing, as it shows which operating systems are most common on desktops.
 
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
 
It's interesting that Windows 8, 8.1 and Vista combined have less than half the share of Windows XP...
 
[Edit: The link above seems to be dynamic, as it's to a subscription service so you get something different every time you click on it. I got to the most recent figures using google - try "Desktop Operating System Market Share" and look for an entry with "NetMarketShare." Good luck!]
 
But let's look into the future. The desktop, Mac or Windows, is on the way out because it's overkill for those who find tablets and smart phones do what they want. Windows desktops rule in the corporate world, but are of lesser power, and backwards compatibility is essential. Apple's desktops have a huge presence in audio and video, but the price paid for that in terms of selection and backwards compatibility are well-known.
 
I predicted years ago that desktops would become less common, more powerful, and more expensive. Apple's Cylinder is exactly that. The company is clearly producing a spare-no-expense, high-power desktop for crucial creative applications. However, the fact remains that not all movies are made in Hollywood with big budgets, and quite a few music hits are made by remixers in a bedroom with a laptop. Ultimately, I think Apple's desktops will have an increasing market share of a decreasing market, and in the ultimate paradox, the Windows desktops - which will nonetheless offer considerable power (arguably without Apple's cachet) - will become "the computer for the rest of us."
 
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Sure wouldn't mind if a Cylinder dropped out of the sky, but the price tag doesn't make sense for me.
2014/01/17 18:00:42
mumpcake
If I had a title like "Director of Unethical Operations" over at a company like SteinMapple, the first thing I would do is to enlist an army of sock puppets and useful idiots to convince Cakewalk that they had to port everything over to OSX.  Because surely the expense of porting, and the even worse expense of maintaining OSX DAWs, would drain resources away from Cakewalk's core competencies, causing all versions of Sonar to suffer.  The diminished product would lose market share, Cakewalk would consequently disappear, and the orphaned customers would naturally flock to SteinMapple.
 
(Hopefully we are all smart enough to know that I am not actually accusing anyone of anything like that, but this being the internet, disclaimers must be made).
 
On a more serious note, have you noticed that Cakewalk has never bothered to update the installer for Rapture for the newest version of OSX? One might think that if OSX is the land of milk and honey that the "Sonar on OSX" crowd maintains, that Cakewalk would have fixed that right away.  On the other hand, not fixing the installers might be a signal that the OSX well is not providing enough for all those who want to be there.
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