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...................Actually, Cubase is in more Studios worldwide, but PT is the Standard here.
(Not going to argue that point - as many will want to).................
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and you know this because??? No argument as I am not saying it isn't so, but where does this "fact" come from?

surely the fact that many studios run Macs? esp here in Europe Logic and Cubase are run in many studios. 

Well when I ask a Professional a Question, I want the right answer, and most importantly the Perfect solution when employing that Professional.
 
I take this the same way with Software...although none really say Professional, they say PRO...which means?...nothing!
 
And so the answer is moot to the questions being asked.
 
PT is ok..when it works...and the same can be said about all that say they are this or that...if they are not...then Perfection is lacking in their statements.
 
And if you take a peek at any DAW forums ...you will see a percentage of users having issues with one thing or another...and is this the bakers problem?....well some go pointing fingers at X Y Z..and make the user run around...when all that sort of thing should have been done by the bakers tooting their BS....but how can they claim, if the OS is under change continually, and this making drivers always in need of change as well....the sort of thing the software is based upon....seems the PRO...means nothing more than three letters grouped together.
 
Industry standards are again Changing...4K, and surely higher fidelity sound surround systems will come into play eventually for the home consumer end of things...down the road.,,as it is already in the works.....SO the industry changes according to the consumer trends....if 4k takes off...and become cheaper eventually...then all other systems will also make a more accompanying accompaniment toward higher visual and sound values.
 
PT may change towards that...?...and other DAWs will have to as well , if it does...and it looks like it is being implemented.
So even the industry is changing...meaning no software is really the industry standard at this time....and that is what PERFECT TRUTH is.
 
Now standards are going to change again...So...Avid's claims are moot!
 
Yep Cubase, Sonar, and others...all  have a playing field being open to develop for now...as that standard standard of change is once again upon us all.
 
So don't believe the hype or commercial methods to gain support with lies....although they are well used lies...they only employ you to buy in....and feed that cow more!
 
Just to be light hearted...most DAWs do a good job at recording and playing back audio, put some effects on the tracks, and render to a cd....and for the most part that is all some ever need.
 
Never mind some industry Mooted statements....as the truth is now coming...PT is now 64 bit , to work with 64 bit OS that has been around for a few years....Now they are dropping older RTAS and VST support, for the new AXX....Now new means it is not industry standard any more...it is changing standards that have been employed over time....and this causes issues and wasted money..and or time to solve for...or down time....in the industry....some one dropped the ball in that camp , I'd say....but that is just me keeping my standard eye on things changing...and if it keeps on doing this, the definition of the word "Standard" will mean change of that "dictionary definition" for the cash cows feeding habits to continue on....making false claims of standards said to be employed as Truth not true...which to my mind is counter productive for short periods of time, when passed over onto the People listening and seeing what is going on?...well that said, let some standards stay standard in word and mind.

I think people tend to disconnect PRO from Professional in many discussions, but the truth is that Profession etymology dictates that a Professional has been formally trained for a publicly declared vocation. In other words, if the person is open for business and is highly trained or highly skilled, he's a Pro. So, in essence, what tools he uses are tools a Pro use, or a Pro tool. However, we tend to assign Pro to a product, only because it is assumed that if the Pro uses that product, he will use the most complete or "pro" version(s).
 
I've made a suggestion before that I believe Sonar X Professional should be developed to better compete with the likes of ProTools, taking out any frivolous features, but it would assume we need a Mac version to duly compete, along with some hardware integration. For now, Professionals will use Producer version of Sonar, and make some money at it. Some studios are building workstations loaded with different DAW's so that clients aren't locked into using ProTools. Knowing this last little tid-bit, one could say using Sonar could easily be used by Pro's if they see that the software is easier to use, and they can work faster--or that's simply the DAW they know.  

I think the opposite, the second you try to compete with Pro Tools you are dead, that side of the market is done. There's no way to make money out of the mac platform. Embrace being different and let the customers come to you, don't follow the sheep.
 
BTW most people who use Sonar do not have professional recording studios (which are dying or near dead thanks to Pro Tools), most are hobbyists or bedroom musicians (or audiophiles who want to be musicians), that's probably a market to go for (looks like it's already fairly successful).
 
Pro is a marketing term nowadays, it seems to have lost its meaning (sadly).

I hate to be so anal about it but to settle the argument;

pro·fes·sion·al [pruh-fesh-uh-nl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.
2.
of, pertaining to, or connected with a profession: professional studies.
3.
appropriate to a profession: professional objectivity.
4.
engaged in one of the learned professions: A lawyer is a professional person.
5.
following as a business an occupation ordinarily engaged in as a pastime: a professional golfer.

Sanderxpander
I hate to be so anal about it but to settle the argument;

pro·fes·sion·al [pruh-fesh-uh-nl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.
2.
of, pertaining to, or connected with a profession: professional studies.
3.
appropriate to a profession: professional objectivity.
4.
engaged in one of the learned professions: A lawyer is a professional person.
5.
following as a business an occupation ordinarily engaged in as a pastime: a professional golfer.

I find that professional organizations are mainly engaged in protectionism. That's a bald statement, yes, but although it usually isn't easy to become a member of one, you find that member discipline is lax.
 
Think i.e., lawers, doctors... and hard hard it is to pursue a malpractice suit.

Sorry to help bring this thread so far off topic.

brconflict
 
 
 Some studios are building workstations loaded with different DAW's so that clients aren't locked into using ProTools. Knowing this last little tid-bit, one could say using Sonar could easily be used by Pro's if they see that the software is easier to use, and they can work faster--or that's simply the DAW they know.  

 
This has merit...as it would accommodate many, and increase Studio clients to use X brand Studio....and I was getting to this very point.
Some DAWs just do thing better, with more ease, and less learning curve because it is intuitively designed.
 
As was the VST Plug in ...easy to use, and employ across the platforms...a Standard?...well it has been revised, just as ASIO has...and as things perfect themselves to working states, and people buy into it, to get things done...the wheel is spun to undo, and cause unrest in the camps....why?...well it sells the next best tooted revisions and gear, and such...for more feeding of the cash cow....now when all that is known and accepted, you can be the cow, or be the feeder of it...or the one who spins the wheel of change....don't be fooled by the industry doing it for you...think outside the box...and use as many tools as you can afford to learn...and you will get things done, when one thing made exclusive by the Lie of being Industry standard..when it does not work...you can still accommodate your clients with something else.
 
And that is a Professional means of conduct....When Murphy is present in all things changing.
 
So..Yes I like what you said above brconflict, because it is a wise thought to use as many tools for a job, that will make the job completely Professional, one way or another...and back ups to those choices seems commendable....why is the industry locking down PT?...or is PT trying to lock down the industry?...well who knows what truth is with that....And I see too much changing of Standards to make the consumer buy into something that may not be as great as they claimed it would be....so beware..and be wise..

Does anyone know what this thread is about? I'm lost.

I think there is some inherent interface from Avid to the industry. As difficult as they make it to send feedback or requests to Avid without owning the product (ala 3-Day Trials), the fact that you have to climb a ladder to gain access to their Execs, and that PT seems to operate in a vacuum from the people on the street, it would seem Avid does a really good job loitering around major studios as much as possible. When your business relies heavily on that industry-retention, if you can't re-invent the wheel, you will do everything in your power to take away all the frustrations from high-profile users and those who tend to scream the loudest at minor issues.
 
I will say, if you've used PT for some time and believe it's a hard learning curve, then there's some compliments to be paid to those engineers and artists who know it well and use it daily without a fuss.
 
I'll also say I'd like to see a few of the Professional Studio PT users kick the Avid rep in the gut once in a while, getting him out of the way to allow the user to see the competition. They just might be surprised at how much sweeter life can be when PT isn't shrouding the studio under a purple cloud. I have utter contempt for Avid's business principles, and I have told them this.
 
Note: PT11 is probably a great product. I don't mean to say it's not worth a Professional's time. There's MANY happy Avid users, and those who get their jobs done quickly and without a fuss! However, I do see that many people in the industry place a huge amount of emphasis on PT simply because that's what they know and that's what the industry standard is. After a while, a revolution can be a good thing.