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Sanderxpander
I just hope Sibelius is saved somehow.

I thought Steinberg bought Sibelius; yes/no?
 
Regards,

I just googled that and it seems that Steinberg acquired the Sibelius team, not the brand/product apparently. Not sure yet if that's good news for us Sonarites. At least the team survived in one piece, I guess.

Your question was: Is it worth your consideration? The short answer is yes. PT is considered the industry standard by many, and having a legit and working install of it is a nice thing to be able to tell clients you have.
 
Is PT any better than SONAR? Not in my opinion. Please note, I said opinion. I've used PT very little (but I have used it several times over the years at other people's studios), and I've used SONAR a lot (in my own studio) - but I've never seen or used anything in PT that made me say "Man, I gotta have that", ever.

trtzbass
On a side note, regarding AVID's financial situation:
 
(I can't post links yet, so...)  macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/AVID--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy
 
 
...that opens up a whole new interesting scenario...

Yikes.   I'm not a PT fan, but not a complete Avid hater either.   I only have a copy of PTLE 7.4 running on a Vista partition that I haven't booted up in over a year.  If the price were much lower I probably would upgrade to 11 since it looks to have improved a lot.   I do feel for the smaller PT users though - this has got be just a little scary... 
 

Used PT today, got an OMF off a client who had exported it in Adobe Premiere, Sonar crashed when trying to open it....
 
Opened it in PT 10 no problem, then exported the OMF from PT and then imported it into Sonar, Sonar opened it no problem (naturally Sonar wouldnt export the OMF without crashing)
 
PT is essential for me for this purpose - Post Production compatibility file handling, its immense at this.

markyzno
Used PT today, got an OMF off a client who had exported it in Adobe Premiere, Sonar crashed when trying to open it....
 
Opened it in PT 10 no problem, then exported the OMF from PT and then imported it into Sonar, Sonar opened it no problem (naturally Sonar wouldnt export the OMF without crashing)
 
PT is essential for me for this purpose - Post Production compatibility file handling, its immense at this.

PT is a necessary evil for this reason (among others!).
 
It's really too bad the Bakers never catered to the fim composer sector...I was hoping X3 would lean stronger in that direction.

I'm using Pro Tools 10 and 11 as well as SONAR when I need it.  I happen to like the PT interface better but I do miss some of my 64 bit VST plugins and VSTis.  

Just run VEPro, then you can you use all your favorite VI's...both 32 and 64bit.

vladasyn
I was asking if PrpTools is any better in recording sound quality. Many believe that not only hardware but software itself play a role in recording quality. And that this is why major releases sound better because they recorded with ProTools.

 
There have been great releases recorded in all DAWs. Whether "something sounds better" is all about the engineering and production, not the software.
 

I have been accused of being slow by my partner- he uses the keyboard shortcuts, I use graphical interface and the mouse for everything. He says- it takes me forever to do things in Sonar and I am not sure if it is me, my using of the mouse or Sonar workflow to blame. Certain things are frustrating in Sonar, such as no "Undo/Redo button.

 
Your partner is right! Use the keyboard shortcuts.That's true for any program/DAW.
 

Also- to start recording we need to insert new track, then set MIDI or Audio Inputs/Outputs. In Logic, for example you can do it by double- clicking on the empty space- it inserts new track already wired.

 
Sonar's track presets are even more convenient because not only is the track already wired, it contains what you want wired.
 

If you ever want to enter any number value in Sinar, such as the level of Resonance inside of the plugin and you type "345", suddenly whole Sonar view changes, plugins getting closed, and measures getting zooned out. It is frustrating.

 
Click the "give keystrokes to plug-in" button.
 

Have you tried to use plugins menu going up? You click on them 2 times, on 3rd time it does "Minimize" and resizes Sonar Windows and plugins menu closes. So I was wondering if Protools is better in that sense.

 
Type the first letter of the plug-in you want, and the plug-in menu jumps to that. Or use the plug-in manager, which is awesome.
 
Now, here's what really great about Pro Tools: You can have someone send you a Pro Tools project, load it, bounce all the existing tracks to WAV files (which doesn't take days anymore, now that Pro Tools can do non-real-time bouncing), then do the editing and mixing in Sonar
 
Had a classical music studio call me tonight. They are so over Pro Tools. The owner is a Mac fanboi but he's heard so much good stuff about Sonar X3 he's seriously considering getting a Windows machine. Hmmm....

LpMike75
Using both X3 and PT 11 HD, my opinion is, if you are writing or creating music, X3 wins.  With all the included plug ins, effects and synths, I would rather mix in X3.  However, if doing any kind of post production or audio editing, Pro Tools is on a different level than X3 and is almost a 'no brainer'.  So it all depends on what you are doing.

I agree with your post for one big reason - format compatibility. But if I was spotting for TV and audio-for-video was my bread and butter, these days I'd choose DP over PT.
 
But you're right...I'd still create music in Sonar

I've just recently added PT 10/11 to my system. I just installed the main application and none of the other stuff. I do 99% acoustically recorded music (mic's on instruments). I don't know how big the install is but it's not very big.
 
PT11 only uses AAX plugins or something like that. Many companies haven't even converted their plugs to this format yet. There are VST wrappers to make them work in PT11. The bundled plugins are alright.
 
The whole application is sort of cryptic and completely fueled by keyboard key and mouse combinations. There are plenty of things you can do inadvertently or incorrectly and pressing CTRL+Z won't undo it. You have to go through another process to delete or reverse the action.
 
There seems to be very little to nothing you can do in the editor/tracks window with regard to accessing a plugin or making mix changes other than envelope editing.
 
Unless you are getting the HD version there are track limits at high sample rates that could be an issue if you record lots of tracks. 48 tracks at 88/96. Ridiculous!
 
With all of those seemingly negative things one would think I don't really care for it. It's clunky at first but I actually like the mixing window very much. It's plain and simple to work with. I was able to put together basic mixes very quickly and I like them despite feeling very handicapped with the lack of agility in the workflow. I can see how someone could become super fast with it.
 
I've used Cakewalk Pro Audio from 8 up through X3. I'm very fluent and efficient with it. Pro Tools is a legit application that has a very contentious reputation from the perspective of how the company chooses to market their product. For the most part I would say it is a valid investment if you think you might be working with other studios or with people who are bringing in works started in other studios.