Hi All,
 
When I start sonar producer, I'm always presented with Quick Start dialog with options to "Open a Project", "Open a Recent Project", etc,..
 
The "Open a Recent Project" does not update with my most recently opened project...
 
I checked to see if there were any options under the Preferences File section but none that relate to number of last saved projects - I think the default is 8?? Regardless my problem here is that the most recent project isn't being displayed or when I click on the down arrow from the quick start it's not even listing any new projects...
 
edit: I've also noticed, if I close the current project that I was working on (without quitting out of sonar) and then click on the File option the recent list has updated my last closed project in the first element list of the 8 listed.  But if I exit out and then start sonar again, my last save project is no longer listed...
 
Kind Regards
Jim

I think I've figured out my problem...
 
I exit out of sonar, I then need to use task manager to end sonarpdr.exe - I think by doing this the "text" data section held by the still waiting process isn't yet written/flushed to disk... Hence the open file element list record on disk isn't updated..
 
I dump the process and it is the same as I previously reported for sonarstd.exe process...
 

 
 
 
************* Symbol Path validation summary **************
Response                         Time (ms)     Location
Deferred                                       srv*DownstreamStore*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Symbol search path is: srv*DownstreamStore*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Executable search path is: 
Windows 8 Version 9600 MP (8 procs) Free x64
Product: WinNt, suite: SingleUserTS Personal
Built by: 6.3.9600.16384 (winblue_rtm.130821-1623)
Machine Name:
Debug session time: Sun Feb  2 13:42:23.000 2014 (UTC + 11:00)
System Uptime: 0 days 8:17:49.064
Process Uptime: 0 days 0:01:08.000
................................................................
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Loading unloaded module list
...............
ntdll!NtWaitForSingleObject+0xa:
00007ffa`6b1965ba c3              ret
0:000> k
Child-SP          RetAddr           Call Site
00000000`0013fb48 00007ffa`68551148 ntdll!NtWaitForSingleObject+0xa
00000000`0013fb50 00007ffa`645a8dbb KERNELBASE!WaitForSingleObjectEx+0x94
00000000`0013fbf0 00007ffa`645a9280 wdmaud!CWAVRenderer::FreeResources+0x8f
00000000`0013fc20 00007ffa`645a7771 wdmaud!CWAVRenderer::Shutdown+0x10
00000000`0013fc50 00007ffa`645a7aed wdmaud!CMIDISynthTask::MODMClose+0x1e
00000000`0013fc80 00007ffa`6459c2f4 wdmaud!SwModMessage+0xb5
00000000`0013fcb0 00007ffa`65826cc4 wdmaud!CBusIds::CBusIds+0x2818
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for SONARPDR.exe
00000000`0013fcf0 00000001`403c6c26 WINMMBASE!midiOutClose+0x9c
00000000`0013fd30 00000001`403c6bd4 SONARPDR+0x3c6c26
00000000`0013fd70 00000001`403c8b34 SONARPDR+0x3c6bd4
00000000`0013fda0 00000001`4038961b SONARPDR+0x3c8b34
00000000`0013fdd0 00000001`4059bf2f SONARPDR+0x38961b
00000000`0013fe00 00000001`40599857 SONARPDR+0x59bf2f
00000000`0013feb0 00007ffa`4356cf4a SONARPDR+0x599857
00000000`0013fee0 00000001`404acefe mfc110u!AfxWinMain+0xa6
00000000`0013ff20 00007ffa`6a6415cd SONARPDR+0x4acefe
00000000`0013ff60 00007ffa`6b1743d1 kernel32!BaseThreadInitThunk+0xd
00000000`0013ff90 00000000`00000000 ntdll!RtlUserThreadStart+0x1d
 
 
 

 
 
The only possible cause of this problem to my thinking could be the asio4all I have installed and using (2.11 BETA).
 
But one other thing I have noticed is if I double click on any midi file and choose sonarpdr.exe to load it - the midi file loads, surprisingly I can play the midi file without using any soft synths or audio tracks mapped from midi tracks - it plays without an soft synths!!... here is the interesting thing too - if I save the project and exit out of sonar, sonarpdr.exe process completes its shutdown process properly, it's no longer listed in the task manager and when I start sonar again the open a recent project has my last created project in the list...
 
Hmmm, what to do....
 
Should X3e patch provide a fix for a problem such as this?  That is if I close the project, it should flush the file element list to disk on this action rather than when the sonar process is elegantly shutdown...
 
Kind Regards
Jim

You should not need to use task manager to exit Sonar. You have deeper problems with your system. because you have been posting a lot with these issues I would think its time to start again with a full new install of Windows and then a install of Sonar. 
 
The reason that MIDI files are playing without a soft synth loaded is because you are accessing the Microsoft synth and that is because you are using ASIO 4 all. It is a WDM wrapper and will use MME to load the drivers for your audio device if it has one. 
 
Using ASIO 4 all is a bad idea anyway. It was meant to run Cubase because Cubase did not offer windows driver support. It only worked with ASIO and MME. Using it with a program that supports all windows drivers is silly.
 
 

Hi John,
 
Thanks for your response...
 
I decided test by removing ASIO4ALL driver from the preferences and reverting to MME.  Saved my project and shutdown Sonar.
 
I checked task manager and could see sonarpdr.exe still running.
 
Killed it and then restarted sonar.  Opened the last saved track and then played the project.
 
Checked to see if MME driver is still used in preferences, and it was.
 
Quit out of sonar and checked to see if sonarpdr.exe was still running.
 
Sooooo,.....
 
No sonarpdr.exe is running!  So I would think this confirms that ASIO4ALL driver is probably shutting down too soon after shutting down sonar and sonar is waiting for ASIO4ALL...
 
Would be good if sonar could have some timeout settings on these sorts of wait states...
 
Anyway, I now know the root cause and its not really worth re-installing windows and apps for this - maybe I can try some other ASIO driver....
 
Oh and by the way - the last project list is updated properly now when sonar shuts down gracefully...
 
Would be really really nice if next patch release can flush program text context to disk when project has been closed..
 
Jim

Why on earth are you using Asio4all driver or MME. You're not using your motherboard sound device are you?

If you have an external audio device there should be no need to use anything but the driver it comes with and that's usually An ASIO driver and /or WDM.

mudgel
Why on earth are you using Asio4all driver or MME. You're not using your motherboard sound device are you?

When using my laptop I use the internal sound card...  everything works just fine this way for me.  The only real problem I have come across is that sonar doesn't shutdown properly when I use asio4all.  The Scarlett 2i2 is on my other desktop.  I mainly use my laptop.
 
BTW I just sent an email to Michael Tippach outlining the problem - hopefully I get some support on asio4all driver

JimmyBoy
When using my laptop I use the internal sound card...  everything works just fine this way for me.  The only real problem I have come across is that sonar doesn't shutdown properly when I use asio4all.  The Scarlett 2i2 is on my other desktop.  I mainly use my laptop.
 

Personally, I'd use the Scarlett on the machine I use most.