windows 6.08 driver does indeed work with two delta cards into pci slots. they sync just fine in win 7 64 bit sp1 using asio drivers. when i use wdm it's nothing but static on my i5 asus. i ve tried and tried with wdm. asio 6.08 works great and a FAN on the breakout boxes works great to get rid of the metal reverb sounds that i was having. good luck

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Hi Vizio, I am so sorry that I did not get back to this forum for 2 days now.
No I don't have any heat problem.
When you start having heat issue, it is always the bad caps in the power supply section that caused that.
Like I said before, replace them with Nichicon caps, and you will be OK.
Running AC is so much more expensive.
I have provided you with a link of the inside of the 1010.  Please take a look at it.
 
Hi PJH, that statement from the M-Audio guy is totally bs.  It was on the Delta forum a long time ago, and since then so many people have come on the forum and refuted that fact.  Including myself.
Let me say again that I have ran 3 1010s since 2003, with XP and then now with Win 7 64 bit, under WDM.
Vizio, the nice thing about WDM is that you can leave at 128 samples, and druing mixing, to avoid CPU taxing, just move the latency bar towards the right and you are done. Did I also say that I have used all 3 1010s at 64 samples as well. But CPU taxing starts to happen, so I use 128 samples. But it is just for playing softsynth.
I never undestood why people are preferring ASIO over WDM.  That is totally crazy.
I have tested ASIO and WDM so many times, and I can tell you that I cannot hear any differences.
And I do this for money, not just for fun like a lot of other people.
i think that WDM is much more tolerable, period.
Best
dan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

dan le
Hi Vizio, I am so sorry that I did not get back to this forum for 2 days now.
No I don't have any heat problem.
When you start having heat issue, it is always the bad caps in the power supply section that caused that.
Like I said before, replace them with Nichicon caps, and you will be OK.
Running AC is so much more expensive.
I have provided you with a link of the inside of the 1010.  Please take a look at it.
 
Hi PJH, that statement from the M-Audio guy is totally bs.  It was on the Delta forum a long time ago, and since then so many people have come on the forum and refuted that fact.  Including myself.
Let me say again that I have ran 3 1010s since 2003, with XP and then now with Win 7 64 bit, under WDM.
Vizio, the nice thing about WDM is that you can leave at 128 samples, and druing mixing, to avoid CPU taxing, just move the latency bar towards the right and you are done. Did I also say that I have used all 3 1010s at 64 samples as well. But CPU taxing starts to happen, so I use 128 samples. But it is just for playing softsynth.
I never undestood why people are preferring ASIO over WDM.  That is totally crazy.
I have tested ASIO and WDM so many times, and I can tell you that I cannot hear any differences.
And I do this for money, not just for fun like a lot of other people.
i think that WDM is much more tolerable, period.
Best
dan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Thanks for the info, Dan. Yes, the support from M Audio doesn't look like it's gonna get me anywhere.
I am using WDM again and I also do not see or hear any difference between ASIO and WDM.
Synch seems to be fine and stability is also pretty good.
I'm not sure about the heat build up and it cannot apply to me as I'm running a Delta1010 and a Delta 1010LT. The 1010LT does not have a breakout box but that is the one that has the distortion on it. The 1010 with the breakout box is fine and has been for many years now.
I'll keep you posted regarding the M Audio sypport though.
Cheers.

the distortion, is it a gradual build up and sounds like the "bit crushing" type effect. I had that issue with their ozone drivers long ago, to a point they didn't fix it for ages / had to get another card by another maker.
 
you might want to look into what you are sharing IRQ wise as well. I have a 1010LT in a pc here, but haven't been making music using it to know how good the drivers are.
 
Davey, you can have a multi-card asio driver (it's normally for the same card *2 or same family/maker) .. the 1010 is one, it says in the manual.. and older card like the dsp factory/sw100xg also had the same thing... but obviously 1 card was the masterclock and the other was slaved to it.
 
 

Fog
the distortion, is it a gradual build up and sounds like the "bit crushing" type effect. I had that issue with their ozone drivers long ago, to a point they didn't fix it for ages / had to get another card by another maker.
 
you might want to look into what you are sharing IRQ wise as well. I have a 1010LT in a pc here, but haven't been making music using it to know how good the drivers are.
 
Davey, you can have a multi-card asio driver (it's normally for the same card *2 or same family/maker) .. the 1010 is one, it says in the manual.. and older card like the dsp factory/sw100xg also had the same thing... but obviously 1 card was the masterclock and the other was slaved to it.
 
 

Yes Fog,
That is exactly the problem I'm having. The track will start off clean and then slowly disintegrate into that "bit crushing" type of distortion.
 
Cheers.

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Hi Vizio, I am so sorry that I did not get back to this forum for 2 days now.
No I don't have any heat problem.
When you start having heat issue, it is always the bad caps in the power supply section that caused that.
Like I said before, replace them with Nichicon caps, and you will be OK.
Running AC is so much more expensive.
I have provided you with a link of the inside of the 1010.  Please take a look at it.
 
Hi PJH, that statement from the M-Audio guy is totally bs.  It was on the Delta forum a long time ago, and since then so many people have come on the forum and refuted that fact.  Including myself.
Let me say again that I have ran 3 1010s since 2003, with XP and then now with Win 7 64 bit, under WDM.
Vizio, the nice thing about WDM is that you can leave at 128 samples, and druing mixing, to avoid CPU taxing, just move the latency bar towards the right and you are done. Did I also say that I have used all 3 1010s at 64 samples as well. But CPU taxing starts to happen, so I use 128 samples. But it is just for playing softsynth.
I never undestood why people are preferring ASIO over WDM.  That is totally crazy.
I have tested ASIO and WDM so many times, and I can tell you that I cannot hear any differences.
And I do this for money, not just for fun like a lot of other people.
i think that WDM is much more tolerable, period.
Best
dan
    dan thankx for the help. question about wdm. is it possible to listen to  what is being recorded in real time with wdm by just clicking the echo button on the track you are recording.(so the singer can hear himself singing over the  recording?) didn't think that was possible unless you use asio, which is why i have stayed with asio for so long.
   also 128 samples do you mean that you first click on the echo logo in the bottom right of the desktop set it to 96,000 and 128 samples. then after you open sonar x2a producer you click "p" and move the wdm task bar to the far right and slowly see how it records.... moving it in slow increments to the right a little bit after each recording test until you get it locked in? wdm seems to FLY, so i am hoping that you can direct monitor yourself while you record.  with asio i send outputs 1 and 2 split to a head phone amp that gives everybody in the band different options in their cans as we record. hoping that wdm will also allow such direct monitoring by just clicking the "echo" button on the vocal track you want to hear in real time.(without a LONG delay)
    or if this doesn't work i could record in asio and mix in wdm? great post guys. best problem solving questions and answers i ve ever done in here. can't thank you enough.
  

SPOKE TOO SOON....
 i have played with these wdm drivers for 2 hours and i can not get a quick non delay like response out of the mic in real time like i can with asio. now that i think about it it is exaclty why i gave up on wdm,mme etc a long time ago. for all of asio faults, it's sure seems bette to me when singing over the band playing and being able to hear yourself in the cans in real time.... thoughts?

viziovizio
  dan thankx for the help. question about wdm. is it possible to listen to  what is being recorded in real time with wdm by just clicking the echo button on the track you are recording.(so the singer can hear himself singing over the  recording?) didn't think that was possible unless you use asio, which is why i have stayed with asio for so long.
   also 128 samples do you mean that you first click on the echo logo in the bottom right of the desktop set it to 96,000 and 128 samples. then after you open sonar x2a producer you click "p" and move the wdm task bar to the far right and slowly see how it records.... moving it in slow increments to the right a little bit after each recording test until you get it locked in? wdm seems to FLY, so i am hoping that you can direct monitor yourself while you record.  with asio i send outputs 1 and 2 split to a head phone amp that gives everybody in the band different options in their cans as we record. hoping that wdm will also allow such direct monitoring by just clicking the "echo" button on the vocal track you want to hear in real time.(without a LONG delay)
    or if this doesn't work i could record in asio and mix in wdm? great post guys. best problem solving questions and answers i ve ever done in here. can't thank you enough.
  

OK Vizio, try to understand this.
You are recording and monitoring at the same time, and that is a fully round trip. You cannot have direct monitoring, especially when the 1010 does not have that.
I use a console so the monitoring issue has not been a problem for me.
What you and many other people here can do is before you dub a guitar track, or a vocal track is to bounce your whole project to 2 tracks, within Sonar.
Copy that mix to a new project to do dubbing, with all attributes, so it copies the tempo and everything else too.
You can now change in the Delta control panel, to 96K and 64 samples, yes as low as 64 samples with Win7 64 bit and Sonar X1 or X2 64 bit.
You can turn on the echo button now, and there will still be some slight latency, but it is totally acceptable for the singer or whoever that you are recording.
Most important is that, everytime you change anything in the Delta control panel, upon going in Sonar, under WDM, you need to rescan or recalibrate (or whatever the term is, I am outside of the studio right now) your sound card again. Then move the latency bar all the way to the left, to get the lowest latency.
Since you only have now 1 stereo track of your music, and some vocals tracks, things should be real good for you.
And by the way, when you are working with Sonar, do not play anything like youtube or mp3 prior to using Sonar at all. That will mess up your bit and sampling rates. If you do, then turn off the breakout box of the 1010, and then restart Sonar, and then turn the breakout box on again.
I hope this help in some way.
best
dan
 
 
 
 

OK Vizio, try to understand this.
You are recording and monitoring at the same time, and that is a fully round trip. You cannot have direct monitoring, especially when the 1010 does not have that.
I use a console so the monitoring issue has not been a problem for me.
What you and many other people here can do is before you dub a guitar track, or a vocal track is to bounce your whole project to 2 tracks, within Sonar.
Copy that mix to a new project to do dubbing, with all attributes, so it copies the tempo and everything else too.
You can now change in the Delta control panel, to 96K and 64 samples, yes as low as 64 samples with Win7 64 bit and Sonar X1 or X2 64 bit.
You can turn on the echo button now, and there will still be some slight latency, but it is totally acceptable for the singer or whoever that you are recording.
Most important is that, everytime you change anything in the Delta control panel, upon going in Sonar, under WDM, you need to rescan or recalibrate (or whatever the term is, I am outside of the studio right now) your sound card again. Then move the latency bar all the way to the left, to get the lowest latency.
Since you only have now 1 stereo track of your music, and some vocals tracks, things should be real good for you.
And by the way, when you are working with Sonar, do not play anything like youtube or mp3 prior to using Sonar at all. That will mess up your bit and sampling rates. If you do, then turn off the breakout box of the 1010, and then restart Sonar, and then turn the breakout box on again.
I hope this help in some way.
best
dan
 
dan,
i am more than will to try this and i hope it works. but, the whole idea of me getting 16 tracks going at once is all for nothing if i am only using 10-12 tracks and dubbing the vox later. i don't want to dub much, i want to record the full band seperatly and i want everybody to be able to hear what the mix sounds like. this is why i purchased all this gear. not to record like i have a 4 track.... why is it that this set up is not capable of recording a full band at once?  it's a 4 piece band with vox. i have a big studio so isolation is perfect. drums in the big room with guitars and bass playing through headphones and their real miced amps in 3 other rooms. the vocalist is outside the main room looking through the glass at the rest of the band. i get what you are saying about over dub, but really i want to record all at once the foundation. this keeps the energy and tone of the band as a whole LIVE sounding.(it's how i did the first album) i then go back and record over dubbed guitar and more vox(back grounds).i did it once, but now it's like trying to catch lightning in a bottle.lol
    you mention that "I use a console so the monitoring issue has not been a problem for me." so could you show me how you accomplish this so that it is not a problem for me?   by console i assume  you mean a large out of the box mixing board.(i use a yamaha 32 track). do you just send aux out to preamp and then out to headphone amps so that the band is hearing the recording in real time? , and just forget about hearing the real recorded tracks? because if this is possible, it sounds like a perfect way for me to be able to use this set up? i really appreciate all the help. if you could just explain how you can get a singer to record in real time, hearing their self's and the rest of the band with VERY  minimal latency i will be a happy man....