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2014/01/28 20:42:47
JimmyBoy
In Session Drummer I have selected Prog (ie StevenSlate_OldZepKit_Wet3.prog) have Midi track out to Session Drummer track and still no good, I mean if I hit the snare in Session Drummer plugin sounds fine - but when I hit play in the project the sound indicators are working in the midi but not in the SD track.
 
Am I able to send a copy of a small project that includes a midi drum track and session drummer because I can't get it to work..
 
Or can I send a copy of the midi file to see if someone else has problems with it..
 
Uploaded it to skydrive account and shared public under the Music folder you'll find Drums.mid
 
Edit: Remove URL to midi file//////
 
 
 (BTW I also used event list to remove any none - data events from the midi track)
2014/01/28 20:53:23
scook
The file worked fine after I removed the first six lines of non-note data in the Event view. There are two  RPN, a wheel and 3 control instructions at the beginning of the track.
2014/01/29 02:51:23
JimmyBoy
Thanks Scook for checking it out.
 
I have it working now but I think what I've been doing wrong (which seems right to me) is I have been dragging Session drummer from VST Instruments into as a new track and then the Midi file I imported to a midi track I set the OUT to the Session Drummer track.  This is how I have been working with the CW TTS Soft Synth which works just fine.
 
What I did differently this time is followed your step ie: Insert From Track Template > Soft Synth Track Templates > Session Drummer 3
 
I then imported the Midi file directly into the SD3 Midi track - also removed the Events you mentioned and all works great. I see now for each symbol and drum a separate track.. There too many SD tracks in the folder now - anyway I can live with that, will need to work out how to quickly add effects to each of the tracks in SD folder, (if I need to) instead of each individually, (or do I apply the effects in the SD App?)...
 
Thanks all for your help
 
Jim
2014/01/29 10:38:04
scook
As I indicated earlier, the setup of Session Drummer is the same as any other soft synth. Like TTS-1 it can have multiple outputs. And just like TTS-1 not all outputs need be used. The reasons for the template suggestion were:
  • To guarantee the synth was setup correctly.
  • To illustrate how to use a template for a multi-out synth. Many find templates a convenient and time saving approach for inserted synths like Session Drummer.
 
To insert Session Drummer from the browser or menus:
1) Drag or insert the synth into a project
 
2) From the "Insert Soft Synth Options" dialog select
  • "Instrument Track" or
  • "MIDI Source" and "First Synth Audio Output" or
  • "MIDI Source" and "All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo"

3) Add samples to Session Drummer, either a program, kit, or individual instrument sfz or audio files. Also, if working with multiple outputs, use the drop downs at the bottom of the Session Drummer mixer to assign the instruments to an output.
 
Then import the MIDI file. In this case, open the MIDI data in the event view and remove the 6 lines at the top of the view.
 
There are a couple of videos at http://www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONARU.aspx/Master-Class on Drum Production which may be of interest. The videos use a pre-X series version of SONAR but have updated subtitles for the X series.
 
Last month a series of Session Drummer templates were made available which include effects http://blog.cakewalk.com/free-quick-kits/
 
 
2014/01/29 20:36:05
JimmyBoy
Thanks Scook!  It's understood perfectly now!
 
One question about SI-Bass Guitar,..  How do I use this with Midi track?
 
following the logic in this thread I would think it would be simple, what I have tried and expected it to work is I inserted new Soft Synth, ie: Insert From Track Template > Soft Synth Track Templates > Studio Instruments Bass , Now I notice there is no Midi track with separate instrument track as was done with the SD3, it created one Bass Track...
 
Anyway double clicked the instrument Icon and get the cakewalk Bass and selected a program, now from Bass midi track selected the output to the new Bass instrument track, hit play. No sound coming from the bass track????  However once again if I use CW TTS as the audio track from the bass midi track, I have no problems...
 
Is there any wonder why I am getting all confused?
 
Jim
2014/01/29 20:47:22
scook
There are two basic type of tracks, Audio and MIDI. There is a third type which may be used with softsynths, called an Instrument track. An Instrument track is a hybrid of an Audio and a MIDI track. It sounds like the SI-Bass template uses an Instrument track. MIDI data goes into the Instrument track and the Instrument track will playback the audio. It is possible to split an Instrument track into it's Audio and MIDI tracks by right-clicking the Instrument track strip and selecting "Split Instrument Track". It is also possible to create an Instrument track from a related Audio and MIDI track pair by right-clicking either track strip and selecting "Make Instrument Track".
2014/01/29 23:06:59
JimmyBoy
Ok thanks that is good info - I just tried it and still doesn't work..  That is;
 
1. Insert From Track Template > Soft Synth Track Templates > Studio Instruments Bass
2. Split Instrument Track
3. Import Midi data to Midi track of the split instrument Midi track
4. Remove any none data events
5. Hit play and still nothing...
 
I checked the plugin manager and see the following - so it should work, right?
 

2014/01/29 23:12:40
JimmyBoy
OH! Hang on - I armed the track and hit play and it works!!!  I now unarm it and it still works! So something by arming and disarming has flicked the track on...
 
So all working now - Would like to know why, so that it helps me further understand this behaviour...
 
Jim
2014/01/29 23:32:28
scook
Forget about the plug-in manager, once the plug-ins are scanned in, it's job is pretty much done. Splitting the instrument track was unnecessary, the MIDI could have been imported into the instrument track. I suspect you are going to continue to have issues with imported MIDI because of the instructions at the beginning of the files. Before playing your third party MIDI files, make sure to clean them up. When the sfz engine synths encounter files like the one I saw, they go silent. This includes Session Drummer, DimPro, Rapture and the SI synths.
 
2014/01/29 23:37:59
JimmyBoy
Ok I see - so even though I cleared the events at the beginning in the midi - seems the arming may have reset the engine...
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