ok... round two!  applying trimming by right clip, apply trimming will bounce the clip down without increasing the amplitude of the wav file, but applying trimming in that way only works with a trimmed wav file and will not work on v-vocal/melodyne, or slip-stretch edit clip....  it's greyed out and wont let me do it, hmm. I notice that the amplitude of the clips in question are increased any where from 3 to 5 dB. again, very strange..... guess I'll try to live with it for now.

Trimming will not work on a V-Vocal, Melodyne, or stretched clip because their processes are still "in play." You have to bounce this kind of clip to itself to create a WAV file, thus disabling the process, before you can trim.

I thought of an analogy...it's like trying to tailor a pants leg while someone's walking in them.

oh... ok, I'll give it a try tomorrow. thank you