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2010/06/07 14:19:25
Mix Master
For those of you that use CueMix, I have a question that perhaps you can answer for me. 
 
How do I monitor mulitple assigned outputs from Sonar?  I have been trying to do this over and over, but I can't get it to work properly.  Why can't I assign the output location in Sonar, and then hear each output together as one mix?
 
I see the signals for each assign in the meters tab in CueMix, and I see that there are multiple signals there, but I can only hear either "Main out 1-2" or one of the Analog outputs, but never them all at once in a mix.  What am I not doing correctly?  Thanks...
 
Mix Master
2010/06/07 20:28:43
CJaysMusic
How do I monitor multiple assigned outputs from Sonar

Ive used Que mix in the very recent past.
 
Question, are you trying to do surround sound? Or are you connecting more than 2 monitors to your set up? Sorry if you said it. I didnt see it!
If your trying to do surround mixing, then you need to insert surround buses
Cj
 
2010/06/07 22:47:53
bitflipper
I don't understand the question, but maybe what you're looking for is the "Cuemix Input Includes Computer Output" option? On my (older) version, it's under the File menu.
2010/06/08 00:29:38
Mix Master
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear earlier guys. 

OK here's what I'm trying to do.  1st off I'm using headphones, and not monitors.   Anyway...in the CueMix tutorial that came with the install disk, and/or in the manual, it refers to being able to use the onboard effects, EQ, etc. and assign each input/output from Sonar to have it's own individual mix settings in CueMix.  So in other words, I don't have to put strain on my CPU, and can use CueMix instead of relying on Sonar to do this; which in-turn would have CueMix predominately doing most of the mixing.  So what I want to do is have my recorded tracks on Sonar be assigned to different outputs, so that I can monitor each recorded track in CueMix.  That way each recorded track is being EQ'ed, Compressed, etc. in CueMix (not in Sonar).  I can't seem to monitor each  individually assigned output so that I can then hear my tracks as a mix using the Mix tab in CueMix.  Currently I can only assign the Sonar tracks to one single output, otherwise I will only hear one output assign at a time depending on which assign is highlighted in the Phones section at the top of CueMix.    Meaning currently, the only way that I even hear all my recorded tracks from Sonar simultaneously is to use only ONE output assign; for instance, coming into CueMix ONLY on the Main outs 1-2, Analog 1-2, Analog 3-4, and so on.  When I assign each track to different outputs from Sonar, the only way I can monitor them is to to go into the aforementioned Phones tab at the top of CueMix, and switch the output individually; but I can never preview them all as one mix, using different output assigns to give each track it's own dynamic, EQ, etc. setting in CueMix. 

I've tried everything I can think of, but I just can't do anything to make this happen. 

* Do I need to switch to the WDM drivers or something (I'm currently using ASIO drivers)?  What am I doing wrong, or is this not even possible?  Thanks... 


Mix Master
2010/06/08 01:01:55
thomasabarnes
It is my understanding that you can only monitor up to 1 stereo pair using headphones. If you have effects on more than one stereo pair, you have to have speakers/monitors to monitor them at the same time as you monitor whatever stereo pair that you have assigned to the headphones.

As I understand it, the only way you can monitor more than one stereo pair without having speakers connected to multiple stereo pairs is to use a hardware mixer. That means you connect all the UltraLite outputs you are using into a hardware mixer and then you can connect headphones to the hardware mixer (or a set of stereo speakers to the controlroom or mainoutput of the hardware mixer)  to hear all those outputs as one stereo mix.

Someone correct me if I'm mistaken, but that's the only way I understand to monitor more than one stereo pair as a mix of more than one stereo output. Unless he wants to do this in SONAR using it's software busses, but then I think he wont be able to use the UltraLite's hardware monitoring as he wants to.
2010/06/08 01:09:53
Mix Master
So what you're saying is that I can't assign track 1 to Analog 1-2, track 2 to Analog 3-4, and then hear it play in CueMix under the Mixes tab?
2010/06/08 02:05:04
Mix Master
What is the best way to set route everything from Sonar (Input/Output, Bus, etc) back into CueMix???  I'm getting confused now.
2010/06/08 02:08:22
thomasabarnes
OK

If you set all the track outputs to Master in SONAR, and set the Master Bus output in SONAR to headphones, you can hear all your tracks in SONAR on the headhones.
2010/06/08 02:17:38
Mix Master
No what I mean is, how do I set up Sonar so that I can do what I am trying to do; the premise of this post?  I want to have 2 recorded tracks go back send to CueMix so that I can apply EQ, Compressions, etc. separately to the recorded stereo tracks?  I don't want to the EQ, etc., as one track; I want to EQ both tracks separately in CueMix.  How do I do this???
2010/06/08 02:41:45
mudgel
You can't do what you want.

You have to understand that the outputs on the back of your MOTU device are hardware and you can only monitor any 2 at one time unless you're monitoring a surround mix in which case you'd have to have an amp connected to each physical output going to its own speaker. that or use a dedicated surround sound amp with discrete inputs for each MOTU output you want to connect. 
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