2014/01/20 18:32:17
Dave King
Hey there,
 
I'm working on a project and trying to keep things simple by limiting the number of reverbs and spatial effects.
 
What is your go-to room reverb to add a little a space to most of the tracks of your mix?  I'm leaning towards the Breverb Medium Hall as a starting point.  Good idea?
 
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks!
2014/01/20 19:08:43
John
I hate reverbs! There are too many of them and its so hard to pick just the right one. 
 
 
For rooms I like to use a convolution reverb such as Perfect Space. OK I know its old and out of date. None the less it works well. But if you must have a good shinny new 64 bit one Melda has one that works nicely and is not so costly.  
 
Caution! Using too many in a mix can be a real problem. You wind up with a muddy and indistinct mess.  
2014/01/20 19:17:36
rebel007
I absolutely love Perfect Space. Tried lots of other reverbs but I keep going back to the Real Spaces presets and work from there.
2014/01/20 19:19:02
Lynn
John
I hate reverbs! There are too many of them and its so hard to pick just the right one. 
 
 
For rooms I like to use a convolution reverb such as Perfect Space. OK I know its old and out of date. None the less it works well. But if you must have a good shinny new 64 bit one Melda has one that works nicely and is not so costly.  
 
Caution! Using too many in a mix can be a real problem. You wind up with a muddy and indistinct mess.  


LOL!  John is absolutely correct, although the right amount of reverb can be exactly what the doctor ordered.  Breverb is a good starting point.  Put it on a bus, group all elements of the mix that need reverb and send them to that bus rather than add them individually to tracks.  Not all elements in a mix need the same exact reverb.  Some things need long tails and some things need shorter tails.  Often, I'll use a short delay for a lead vocal or instrument and a light reverb for backup  vocals or accompanying instruments.  Variation can make it sound more realistic and less muddy.
2014/01/20 19:22:08
Sidroe
I tend to think of reverb as I would the space that all the musicians would be in if they were recording in one room altogether. When you go to a concert hall, auditorium, stadium, etc. you are experiencing hearing the entire group of musicians in that environment. Due to the placement, the instruments closer to you may be drier sounding than the musicians farther away. The reverb becomes a realtime blender of dry and wet.
Some instruments may be using reverb or delay as a special effect but overall the entire group is in that one environment and should be treated so. I am not a big fan of using a different reverb on every track. As stated before, that technique can destroy a great mix simply because it doesn't sound natural and good luck trying to match the texture on all those rooms. Try just one reverb for a room on the instruments in a buss routing different amounts of each instrument to that room and another buss setup for vocal reverb possibly. This technique to me tends to sound more natural.
2014/01/20 19:24:24
lawajava
Dave King and John - I agree with both of you.   I often start with Breverb Medium Hall and may end up keeping it. But there are lots to choose from and many of them can add to or ruin what is being worked on.  My go to reverbs include Breverb2, two of the Valhalla verbs, and Softube's TSAR-1.
2014/01/20 19:26:18
gswitz
Sure. I like Breverb.
 
It's light weight and nice.
 
If you're only using one, don't forget Perfect Space. It's 32 bit, but sounds awesome.
 
The Blue Tubes has one too that I've used on three or four recordings so far.
2014/01/20 19:38:14
Dave King
Thanks for the tips guys.  Like Lynn said, my objective is to create a space in which it sounds like all the parts are performing within.  Nothing heavy-handed.  Perhaps it's more of a blending effect than anything.  And as is often the case, less is more.
 
I think I'll set up Breverb on a buss and send varying amounts of it to the various tracks. For Lead vocal, I will probably also add a little delay as well.
 
But of course, I'll experiment with my other reverb options as well.
 
These days, I'm trying to work within Sonar as much as possible using as few outside resources as possible.
 
Thanks.
2014/01/20 19:52:14
gswitz
I little delay on a reverb is a great thing. If memory serves, Craig Anderton has some advice about using delay with reverbs where you set the interval to different prime numbers in the left and right channels.
 
RME's digicheck for the UCX and UFX have both reverb and delay on the only internal FX Bus in the unit, so they totally see applying delay after reverb as practical.
2014/01/21 08:13:21
Guitarhacker
I see the consensus here seems to be the Breverb.  I don't have it. Although I do have 3 or 4 others....I actually like and use the Cakewalk Studioverb2 on just about all my projects.
 
I load a dark hall or a bright hall and tweeze it as needed. It's my GO-TO reverb.
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