Hmm, weird limitation, this isn't it? You should just be able to delete empty time, I thimk. 
 
Since we've clearly got some bold cutters and pasters in this thread, does anyone know a reliable way of selecting everything, including bus automation, in a given time range, and cutting and pasting it all? I can never get bus automation to become part of the cut, though I can get track automation to.
 
I've tried doing a Select All in the track window, and then manually adding each bus with a CTRL+click, but that doesn't seem to do it.

Actually, I do this all the time, mostly to get rid of count-ins at the beginning of songs.  Just to make sure I'm not hallucinating, I just checked it by deleting a bar in a song and then going back and deleting the resulting hole.  Worked perfectly.  You have to uncheck "Non-destructive Midi editing" in Preferences>Customization>Editing, I believe.

Ah....

Phonic
Ahh, ok, there is no data in the hole.  I will manually move the tracks then.
 
Thanks!
 
 

Which will work fine PROVIDED you don't have any tempo changes, meter/key changes, markers or automation in your project.
These will NOT slide when you slide your clips/tracks

Bristol_Jonesey

Phonic
Ahh, ok, there is no data in the hole.  I will manually move the tracks then.
 
Thanks!
 
 

Which will work fine PROVIDED you don't have any tempo changes, meter/key changes, markers or automation in your project.
These will NOT slide when you slide your clips/tracks

Maybe a feature request is needed then.  I come across this regularly enough that it's a pain to deal with.  Off to the feature request page then.

Jon BrysonMaybe a feature request is needed then.  I come across this regularly enough that it's a pain to deal with.  Off to the feature request page then.

Excellent.  You could note that prior versions of Sonar did allow this, so it is more of a feature renewal request.

Well, I already had the request in when I saw this, but I did reference this thread.

Clint Swank
Actually, I do this all the time, mostly to get rid of count-ins at the beginning of songs.  Just to make sure I'm not hallucinating, I just checked it by deleting a bar in a song and then going back and deleting the resulting hole.  Worked perfectly.  You have to uncheck "Non-destructive Midi editing" in Preferences>Customization>Editing, I believe.

As far as I know, deleting measures where no track content exists has never worked, and is not affected by the setting of Non-destructive MIDI Editing (though this setting does have some other unusual side-effects).
 
I think there must have been something left over somewhere in the selected time range - possibly on a hidden track - in this case.

Yeah, well, I must have the magic Sonar, then, 'cause there was nothing there.  Three tracks, one audio, two midi. Deleted bar 5.  Left a 1 bar hole. With the same selection, delete special, delete hole, hole gone.  (In other words, since I deleted the bar first, leaving a hole, there couldn't have been any info there when I deleted the hole.) Tried the same thing with cut and cut special, same result.  However, just to check my theory, I turned non-destructive midi editing back on, and the same operations still worked.  So my theory's wrong.  But delete hole still works, with, guaranteed, no information in the deleted zone.  Thing is, I seem to recall having a similar problem right after installing X3, and unchecking NDME solved it.  So...beats me.  Divine intervention?

Just tried this again with "non-destructive Midi editing " unchecked to be sure.  Still no dice.