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  • Just gave myself a crash course in X3 comping. This is genius... seriously
2014/01/18 13:04:59
Beepster
I had watched the vids and kind of skimmed the threads, manual entries and other material and even poked away at it a bit but I am about to do some actual editing using the new comping system for the first time so I just sat down for the past hour to fully learn how it all works. I don't know if this was a single Baker's vision or a group effort but holy heck is that some highly intelligent design action there. Like WTF are you guys doing designing software instead of coming up with society altering solutions to world hunger or peace to the middle east?!
 
I mean I thought I had some pretty tight ideas on how editing should work but this stuff is mind blowing. If it all works as advertised I could see this being an industry changer if people open their minds to it.
 
The only thing I see at the moment that I would add on is an extra option to do the multi track record clip grouping on a folder by folder basis as opposed grouping all folders in the project at once. Simple enough to work around though because you'd just make your multi track group edits then disable the option when done but it would be nicer to have a more "set it and forget it" type option so if you want to rework the edits on the fly you don't have to open Prefs again.
 
Anyway... sorry if that comes across as fanboiism but credit where credit is due and I truly do feel that this is sheer genius. Whoever designed this or had a part in designing this should come forth and take a bow.
 
Bravo.
 
2014/01/18 13:15:45
John
Oh Beep.  It was nice knowing you. You do know that you have crossed the line of liking something about comping in the X series. I'll seen your stuff to your next of kin. He was such a nice fellow. Sob, sob, snort.
2014/01/18 13:25:29
Beepster
lol... Hi, John. I haven't really seen too many complaints about the comping and most of them seem to be a learning curve issue. The new method is extremely different and quite radical but the other options are still available (which is what I have been using up until today and will indeed still use for stuff as need be).
 
I know it may not be everyone's proverbial "cup of tea" but purely from a design and implementation standpoint it is quite ingenious... almost artistic. 
 
That of course is just my opinion but I do certainly think that some appreciation is in order here and dog knows I've been pretty harsh towards Cake on occasion especially when it comes to editing issues.
 
I've even seen some of our die hard lanes haters give some love for the new methods.
 
Hopefully this doesn't become a flamefest. That would be disappointing.
2014/01/18 13:38:02
chuckebaby
I have to say I feel the same, comping is really good in x3, it was my biggest issue in x2, I couldn't understand the theory behind the steps. it was a wee bit baffling to me.
but in x3 it just speaks volumes what the boys can do when they really want to floor a feature and get it right.
I love it, its been money for me.
2014/01/18 13:38:32
Lynn
This is actually the type of comping power that I was waiting for.  I comped 4 lead vocal tracks in about 5 minutes, as opposed to the 30 minutes that I normally take for this.  One of Cake's all time best work flow enhancements.  No complaints here.
2014/01/18 13:39:29
John
I'm just having some fun Beep. I know no one will dispute your results. 
 
I also think its really cool for you to post good things when you see them. 
2014/01/18 13:53:37
Beepster
chuckebaby
I have to say I feel the same, comping is really good in x3, it was my biggest issue in x2, I couldn't understand the theory behind the steps. it was a wee bit baffling to me.
but in x3 it just speaks volumes what the boys can do when they really want to floor a feature and get it right.
I love it, its been money for me.




Hi, Chuck. Long time no see. I hope you've been well.
 
To me I was used to a really well designed but archaic editing workflow with my previous DAW. When I got X1 I liked layers for a while but soon ran into some very seriously limitations due to how I work that could have been resolved with a few changes in how things were displayed in Sonar (I basically ran out of screenspace once I had done a certain number of takes and the layers become impossible to edit).
 
X2 and the new lanes I thought were awesome but really felt like they needed some more work. Half baked as they say but I liked the workflow despite some of its clunkier aspects. It was other factors that drove me nuts but we won't go into that.
 
This new method is like they went from a single layer chocolate cake to a triple layer choco/mocha cake to a full fledged 12 tiered wedding cake with fancy candy supports and instead of that nasty wedding cake crap they made it out of like prime rib, stinky cheese, kosher pickles and every other salty savior thing I love (because I actually very much dislike sweets). YUM!!!
 
lol... I still need to put it all into practice though but as I said... if it works as advertised... GENIUS!
 
Lynn
This is actually the type of comping power that I was waiting for.  I comped 4 lead vocal tracks in about 5 minutes, as opposed to the 30 minutes that I normally take for this.  One of Cake's all time best work flow enhancements.  No complaints here.




Hiya, Lynn. Can't add much to that and I certainly haven't been using Sonar as long as you have but out of the 4 DAWs I've used extensively in my life (three of which have been Sonar X series) this is light years ahead of all the other stuff... AND I can still use the old methods if I want (except some specific things from my first DAW but it really was archaic).
 
 
2014/01/18 13:57:38
Beepster
John
I'm just having some fun Beep. I know no one will dispute your results. 
 
I also think its really cool for you to post good things when you see them. 




Well I see good things all the time (as well as not so good things) but don't usually post entire threads about them. This is however just that impressive to me.
 
Like if I had been around for the birth of the ProChannel I would have posted a thread about that. I think this comping stuff is really on the same level of usefulness and innovation.
 
...
 
Okay... I'll stop now. I actually need to go do some comping. Just got a little excited is all. ;-p
 
2014/01/18 14:08:10
Vab
I'm not sure if this is the same thing or different, but I gave up with trying take lanes and comping when I was having previous recordings being overwritten by new ones.

I don't think that's meant to happen, or if its related to comping, but it seemed like a significant big so I went back to doing multiple takes whilst a track is playing, then just copy pasting a correct take to wherever it was needed.
2014/01/18 14:25:51
Keni
Hi Gang...

I know many of you will be surprised to hear this from me, but I hope you enjoy my attitude today...

I did a session last night which gave me a first chance to use comping for drum tracks and correction punches to any instrument such as the bass or guitar (it was a trio)...

The new comping tools have made many of the tasks far easier an faster for me... Learning curve? Yeah, I guess some of that... Also my power of observation sometimes in the way... ;-). I've found that I have often had difficulty while not realizing a new edit tool's pointer change and confusing which tool I grabbed... Realizing this was happening cleaned up many issues I was having...

I believe when I'm really comfortable with these types of issues, I will enjoy this even more. Learning curve... The moving and crowding of the various tools/pointers created quite a bit of my difficulties and the way these require some workflow adjustments really kept this as a problem... I have not fully explored the toolset, but it is getting easier and more understandable...

I look forward to enjoying them more as the earth spins... ;-)

BTW... I still have many issues about lanes/layers, but some of these new tools are making up for a lot of the things I still don't like about lanes... ;-)

So a lot of kudos and apologies to the Bakers as well as to the many other users who have tolerated me and endeavoured to help me get a grasp on this....

Thanks to all!

Keni
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